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June 20, 2005

Boys In Academia: A Lost Generation?

So much for the myth that females are fragile hothouse flowers who need special privileges and attention to succeed in male-oriented academia. The reality is far different:

The National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) tracks the enrollment in all degree-granting institutions by sex. From 1992 to 2000, the ratio of enrolled males to females fell from 82 to 78 boys for every 100 girls. The NCES projects that in 2007 the ratio will be 75 males for every 100 females; in 2012, 74 per 100.

In short, your son is statistically more likely than your daughter to work a blue collar job.

And the gender gap is even worse among poor kids:

68 percent of college enrollees from low-income families were female; only 31 percent were male.

Feminists say this doesn't matter. Boys can make a living at menial jobs like construction. Apparently they "don't need" to go to college:

Imagine the gender ratio being reversed, with 78 girls for every 100 boys entering college. Imagine a generation of poor girls being relegated to low social status labor while tax funding assists poor boys. It is difficult to believe King would be similarly unconcerned.

I find this whole thing difficult to believe: period. Why are we still concerned about girls when all the evidence says it is boys who are in trouble?

Posted by Cassandra at June 20, 2005 10:00 AM

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Why are we still concerned about girls when all the evidence says it is boys who are in trouble?

Boy: Larval form of Hegemonic Male Oppressor. See also, White Male, Loser.

Posted by: Masked MenaceĀ© [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2005 11:17 AM

I am not surprised; I have always held that feminists have had an agenda; in their own way they
are oppressing men and hollering foul when called
on it.

I never had a hard time being different or having a different type of capability or ability, the hard thing is finding where you fit in with it, regardless of gender.

How does this square with the Good Harvard Professor who dared to say women were different?

Posted by: Crckt [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2005 11:19 AM

There's another side to this study: how many of those degrees are in useful fields (such as biology or physics, history or medicine), and how many are in fields that actually don't produce anything (such as English lit, sociology, psychology, etc)? That, taken with grade inflation, means that a lot of those degrees are going to people who have not been made any better for work.

More women are getting degrees, but in what? More women are white collar, but what are they doing?

A college degree is said to double your earnings, and white collar jobs normally pay better than blue collar ones. However, frankly, I see no reason to believe that trend will continue. I think it is an illusion that a college degree today is worth what it used to be worth, both because (a) the mere possession of a BA is no longer a measure of your qualifications for work, and (b) because the disciplines of study vary so much in their usefulness. A lot of people are getting degrees that are going to be hard to market.

Someone who develops useful skills, whether they develop them in college or in other ways, will do well. Someone who does not, even though they have a diploma, will not.

It's my understanding that the majority of millionaires in this country -- a number that increases every day, and which more than quadrupled during the 1990s -- did not finish college. A lot of "menial" jobs actually pay very well. You mention construction: one of my neighbors growing up built a cabinet-construction company about fifteen years ago. He's now a very rich man.

Plumbers are in such high demand in Atlanta that you have to make an appointment with one weeks in advance. They can not only more-or-less name their schedules, but also their fees.

Would they, or America, be better off if they'd gotten degrees in sociology instead? If they weren't fit for anything except writing ad copy, or analyzing each others' imagined neuroses?

Count me as one of those who isn't really worried over it. So more women than men want jobs that come with air conditioning. Fine -- jobs that required staying inside all day have usually been dominated by women in human history.

You're welcome to them. Me, I'm trying to figure out how to rework my schedule so I can be outside more. If we can just get this war won, I think I'll take what wealth I've got and invest it in some land, a horse, and a herd of cattle. :)

Posted by: Grim [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2005 12:25 PM

Actually, I'm not all that worried about it either really... I find the assumption that we must "do something" about gender disparities that may have underlying causes far removed from academia to be as questionable when applied to males as it is to females :)

I was just trying to point out the double standard. I'm with you, Grim. A few weeks ago my husband bought me a lovely diamond ring: my first in 26+ years of marriage.

We bought it from a very prosperous guy who never went to college. He had a Spanish Christian and surname. This man was bright, well-informed, and far better off than either my husband or I am. He worked hard and made his own way, building his store from scratch. He, apparently, didn't "need" college to succeed either.

Or wealthy parents.

Or bilingual education. Imagine that...

Posted by: Bush Ate My Soul... [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2005 12:42 PM

Why are we still concerned about girls...

One reason could be because there's no male counterpart to feminism.

Posted by: George [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2005 01:09 PM

George nailed it.

Posted by: spd rdr [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2005 01:37 PM

Grim,
I think you are right.

I also would like land, cattle and a four wheeler.

Heh.

Posted by: Crckt [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2005 05:16 PM

BAMS,
You never did fill us in on the joys of Systerli
Ovulation by the Lyght of the Full Moons.

I really think you need a drumming circle.

I nearly started in on a rant but decided to say that I used to hang out a lot in Olympia with my kids (my cousin lives there...a few blocks away from EGSC, LL's alma mater)and the rampant moonbattery
is pathetic. Was then, can have only gotten worse.

Posted by: Crckt [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2005 06:03 PM

I really think you need a drumming circle.

Oh...my...dear...Lord, Cricket - you have no idea. We went to a party Sat. nite, got home, the host has a tradition of toasting with Aquavit...

So I was pretty tired when I went to bed. Get no sleep that night - their bizarre HellHound starts yelping at 4 am and I'm ready to propel myself out the window and throttle him bare-handed.

Next morning I'm standing in my bathroom, somewhat bleary-eyed, drying my hair. And I hear...

Drums. Drums in the deep

I'm thinking, "Oh Lord, I know I said "Take me now", but I'm really not ready.'. I look out my bathroom window and She Of the Native American Crystal Garden is playing Indian drums and someone is blowing on this thing -- it sounded like when you purse your lips and blow over the top of a Coke bottle, but WAY louder. And I'm thinking:

I cannot get out... I cannot get out...

So I run to fetch the spousal unit, knowing he will want to witness this spiritual interlude. His comments are unprintable and totally harshed the peaceful spirits who were gathered below us in the forest.

I told him the Great Spirit is listening. He knows when you've been sleeping. He knows when you're awake. He knows when you've been bad or good...

More foul language from the spousal unit. What a grouch.

Heh...

Posted by: Bush Ate My Soul... [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2005 06:15 PM

Gad. I wish my neighbors had rituals like that.

No sybaritic orgies in the wildwood after the derigidoo and rhythmic accompaniment?

When is the next show, and are you going to sell tickets?

Sorry, but some things like residential worship shouldn't disturb the peace.


Posted by: Crckt [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2005 06:55 PM

Then again, the flashback to the Mines of Moria must have really been intense.

Posted by: Crckt [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2005 07:56 PM

I knew you'd pick up on that.

We were contemplating a ritual romp in the crystal garden, but we had to mow the lawn.

Posted by: Bush Ate My Soul... [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 20, 2005 08:00 PM

You had to mow the lawn AGAIN? What, when you get through, it's time to start all over again? I'm afraid that is one thing we do NOT miss, living in AZ. After 20 years of lawn mowing, it's great to watch the neighbors with their little postage-stamp size lawns that you could mow with an egg beater, struggling in the 110 degree heat!

Posted by: JannyMae [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 21, 2005 12:08 AM

This is a good fricken' question. The onus of being the provider is still on the male, and rightly so. They need to be given education, encouragement, and a fair shake.

Posted by: Old Testament Liberal at June 23, 2005 02:56 AM

"One reason could be because there's no male counterpart to feminism."

Real males don't need it.

Posted by: Old Testament Liberal at June 23, 2005 03:01 AM

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