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Well done, ladies.
Thank you.

I'll be the first to admit that it's a childish emotion........BUT,

My 11 Sept rememberance would be perfect if Nancy Pelosi choked to a splendid shade of purple on a fricking hot dog at a MoveOn.org event.

Greg

Greg, someday *I'm* going to choke to death, laughing at one of your comments.

Good nite :)

Thanks Cass, for lending ink to the One Day's Pay initiative. For my money--or rather my time—a day of National Volunteer Service may well be the most effective, and promising way for people to turn a painful day into something positive.

Greg, I'm not sure performing the Heimlich maneuver on Pelosi falls within the spirit of One Day's Pay so you may have to think of some other way to particpate:)

So much for the spirit of unity.

P.S., Nancy Pelosi is not a MoveOn functionary, she is a Representative elected by the people (however misguided you may find them) of her District.

I feel the same thing now that I did right after 9-11: A sick feeling in the pit of my stomach, mingled with admiration for the common people who did heroic things, a desire to help, and some small hope for the future.

At the time I even felt like stepping back and giving Bush a chance. I did, for a year and a half, until he lied to me.

I did not think then and I do not think now that the "great men" like Guiliani and Bush need to be lionized for doing their jobs. If they can even do that much.

Cass: "Many Americans don't believe that the cause of opposing radical extremists who fund terrorist killers is "worth it"."

Ok who doesn't believe that? Michael Moore? That's why we should be intercepting Saudi funding for such terrorists.

"They don't believe that supporting the people of Iraq and Afghanistan as they literally make history, overthrowing violent dictators who have tortured and murdered those who voice any dissent with a democratic government that will allow people of any religion, and even (for the first time!) women a voice is "worth it"."

Well, not particularly if the women in Iraq at least are going to be under Sharia law. Although Sistani's social policy sounds generally more progressive than that of the Pope.

I'll grant that women in Afghanistan are likely to be better off, unless we give the place back to the Taliban and drug lords, for want of resources. Afghanistan was the home of the real enemy and was the justifiable project that should have been finished before starting a second one.

"...we also know that terrorism flourishes where there is repression and harsh government and that it dies out slowly but inexorably when democracy takes hold." So when do we take on Saudi Arabia?

As you well know, there is a difference between the leader of a nation publicly funding terrorism and a citizen (or more tenuously, exiles or former citizens) doing so. You don't go after the US because Timothy McVeigh is a citizen. Every nation has criminals. That's a pretty shabby pretext for invasion, as though you'd support that in a million years. We all know you wouldn't.

I'm not going to turn this into a referendum on the war. Volunteer if you can find it in your heart. If not, don't. Your choice.

I have neither the heart nor the energy left to argue with you.

You say Bush "lied" to you. The Senate investigated and found he did not. Four words: Senate Select Intelligence Committee. I believe I'll take their word for it. You do what you want - it's a free country.

Regarding Saudi Arabia, you tell me? Perhaps when Congress authorizes and funds such an initiative, and not one moment before. Maybe when the American people vote a President into office for the second term who took us to war against the Saudis.

I have yet to see either of those things happen. I guess you'll just have to live with the fact that you live in a democratic republic and the majority (and their elected representatives)disagreed with you when it came to a vote - several times. Democracy's a bitch - that's why the terrorists are trying so hard to keep it out of Iraq. So much easier when you can just enforce your will on the masses.

Unfortunate, but that's how it goes.

OTL, you caught me.Rep. Pelosi is not just a MoveOn functionary--she can spout both MoveOn,and Kos talking points with equal spite.To wit-
"Pres.Bush is oblivious,.....in denial,.......dangerous".

Greg

You want to know who lied? Weapons inspectors lied when they concluded that Iraq had no WMD's since at least before 1992. If Clinton bombed the crap out of Iraq in 1998 to destroy its "nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs", then Saddam must've been an imminent threat at that time. And Clinton certainly wouldn't lie.