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The Southern Engineer Dish on Enterprise...the one that had the hots for T'Pol. He was a Baaaaad Boy.

Ohohoho and Matt what-his-name on Sahara.

*catches drool and lopes off on knuckles*

You know, he was kind of hot, even if he did have blue eyes. He was the kind of guy I would have secretly looked at under my eyelashes but wouldn't have touched with a ten-foot pole though :D

LOL! Great post, Cassandra :) Let's hear it for manly men!

I've been telling the wife for years that I'd start batting for the other team if Sean Connery was gay.

:)

We don't care for baby faces, and we're not all that keen on some of the things guys think women like.

So the kitten on the shoulder thing @ 19 didn't do it for you huh.

I'm devastated, just devastated I tell you.

No, but the big shoulders did :)

Alright! That does it! You offend our new modern man sensitivities yet again. I will punch you in the camera for the sheer audacity of it all!

Time to pout now. Alert the media!

I think there is just something about the fact that you guys are different from us that fascinates me.

I cannot for the life of me understand women who want to make men just like them - to emasculate them. I have seen short men who are sexy, guys with no hair who are sexy, pudgy guys who are sexy. Women are different from you guys. A man does not need to be 19 and in plastic surgery-perfect shape to turn us on. He does, however, need to be manly in some sense - not always the textbook one. A few of the sales guys in my office aren't much taller than I am (I'm between 5'4" and 5'5") but they are really attractive guys, though they are younger than I am so obviously that's out even if I weren't married. I think what is attractive is they're happy and confident and manly. I like that. And they like women.

I'm a hunk a I tell you. I even went into combat flying a P-51 for crying out loud!

'Sides, I like big butts!

I am the ultimate man!

You are so cruel. It will cost me thousands to rectify my feminine side with the psychiatrist!

I'll send you the bill!

YEAH BABY!

He does, however, need to be manly in some sense - not always the textbook one.

Guess that lets me out. I've been searching for my feminine side for decades and I just can't seem to find it!

Does obnoxious count? :-o

What Cassandra said. It is a confidence thing. The older I get, the more a man's confidence impacts me. And the funny thing is although there are various "stars" I have a bit of a crush on, it's the real-life men I know who really make me swoon.

Especially those strong, masculine hands...

*swoon*

I think I need to find myself a carpenter, or something...

That was why I dropped you, Ben. You kept touching me. In all the wrong places and in front of too many faces...

This is a highly sexist post. I think in the interest of justice we should begin a thread with real WOMEN!

Starting with Sela Ward and continuing with Diane Lane!

Strictly in the sense of fair play you understand! :-)

Of course the discussion on what men find attractive in women wouldn't be as highly thought provoking or even take that much brain power. A pulse will do just fine!

A pulse will do just fine!

Hmmm... You sure about that, JHD? Anybody got a stethoscope I could borrow?--I can't seem to find a pulse in my wrist. ;P

You know, that's funny FbL. Though the Spousal Unit is very easy on the eyeballs, the first thing I remember noticing about him, right after he said something frighteningly intelligent, were his hands.

I can still remember staring at them in the hallway at school. It was one of the first really, well, erotic moments I think I ever felt. I just sat there and looked at his hands, and believe it or not we'd been talking about international politics or something abstruse like that, and they were so big, and all of a sudden I wasn't thinking about politics anymore and I'm afraid my cheeks got a bit pink. I was kind of shocked.

At that point, I realized I was really in trouble. And I was. In trouble, I mean.

JHD...behave.

Because this is strictly an intellectual discussion.

I'm still trying to get over the fact that Cassie made an astounding observation; men are different than women! Who'd a thunk it! he-he! Oh how I love to celebrate that difference too! :-)

Hey FbL? Does hoeing the garden reach the criteria? Woof!

So, if we enjoy opening doors, seating you at table, stand when you excuse yourself, et al that is not offensive? If we treat you different because you are and we love that fact, we are not oppressive beasts just screaming "sexist pig"?

Hmmmmm, now that's a novel concept. Have to think about that for awhile! ;-)

I married a carpenter. And Cass, just like you and FbL, I noticed his hands. They are strong, gentle and able to do many tasks...soothe screaming babies, make cheesecake, and provide for us.

And uh, well, *fans face and tries to squelch a giggle or two...*

Man! I'm losing out at all turns! I have small hands. Barely wear a medium glove. *sniff*

I'm bailing before my fragile ego gets kicked around anymore. I'm developing a real complex here! :-o

But oh how I do love holding the babies. Those midnight walks with a fussy baby in your arms? That's what life is made of right there!

Then they grow up! Heh!

Oh, wow. Cassandra, I'm right there with you on that one.

There have been times when I've met someone and I've been feeling shy and am having trouble making eye contact, or when the conversation turns serious and I look away... I find I have to stare at the table or the wall because if I look at their hands (that they're usually using to punctuate their conversation) I start to worry that the next time I look up it'll be completely obvious that I've totally forgotten what they just said. LOL!

I'm not really sure why hands have such an impact on me. Maybe it's becuase I'm a professional pianist/organist. For example, during lessons in college I would often be asked to closely observe my professor demonstrating a technique with his hands--with attention to every muscle movement, strength/delicacy of touch, etc. Sometimes the best way to understand or check technique was to "play" a passage on each other's forearms to compare the weight being pressed into the keys, etc. so that I could feel the correct way and he could diagnose whether iw as doing it right (this is a common practice--among many instrumentalists--that I have used with even my most beginning students). I never talked about it openly with my fellow students, but I don't think I was unique in my reactions to hands, so maybe it's a general musician thing.

(As a side note, just imagine what the sexual undercurrents were like in a bigtime school of music complete with a ballet department, huge opera productions, professors and students from around the world, etc. I think there were pretty much two polar opposites--the swingers and those who just repressed it all because they didn't want to be swingers).

I also have a thing about wedding rings on a man. To me, that's one of the sexiest things out there. Not in a way that makes me desire the person wearing the ring, but that reminds me as an single woman of the possibilities because of what it stands for: the ideal of commitment and devotion it embodies.

Combine that with the fact that (surprisingly) most of my organ/piano professors were heterosexual married man and you won't be surprised to know that I spent many, many piano and organ lessons avoiding eye contact with my professors!

JHD,

If it makes you feel any better, I've got very small hands, so just about anybody (male or female) has bigger hands than I. ;-D

I suspect it's the same with Cassandra, as she is a petite person.

There, does that soothe your fragile male ego? *running*

Now see what you've done, Cassandra? You got me so distracted I've missed the first half of the radio show I wanted to listen to! :P

JHD,
Small hands are not a deterrent. My mother has extremely delicate hands with long fingers. She too is a musician, and all my children inherited her hands, cast in the appropriate genetic mold. My sons' hands are big-boned and long fingered, but slender with veins and muscles being prominent. My daughter's hands are feminine, with small bones and muscles that move very gracefully, while the boys'hands are capable, confident and sure.

JHD, if it's any comfort at all, I can't tell you how many guys I dated before the Unit and I couldn't tell you what a single one of their hands looked like. I have a feeling that I was just smitten with him and it happened to be his hands that caught my attention. Which is a good thing.

Because I was very young, and the first time I saw him at the beach, I was really a goner.

*really running away*

*looking for her fan*

That's another dead sexy thing: a man holding a baby. Gets us every time. I think it's the contrast of seeing this big guy holding this helpless infant.

...which is doubtless why JHD does it.

*...and I'm outta here!*

No FbL, y'all have destroyed me now. I don't know how I'm gonna' face the rest of the day! ;-)

My hands are ugly anyway. All beat up, scarred, with calluses and stuff. I had an effeminate young lady actually stick up her nose at me when I opened a door for her a few years ago. She then proceeded me to ream me a new one for being a "commoner" for opening a door and the fact that my hands showed decades of usage. Something about "getting a manicure" thrown in there for good effect. Heh!

Y'all just keep killing the ego! Now I'll have to see if TLB will clean my hands up so I can face the world! Right after I give her the mandatory shoulder and back rub I'm sure! :-o

Who would've ever figgered that hands would be the deal! I wallow in self-pity now! ;-)

How about feet? I've got a great set of size 11 1/2s! he-he!

Re: Men and Babies

For me, it's not just the contrast, it's that all that power and strength can be restrained and gentle, too...

*really, really looking for that fan now*

You punk. You know all the women here adore you, so knock it off. You're just lucky we're all afeared of the lovely bride or you'd be in some serious trouble from someone around this place, I'm sure.

I have a photo somewhere of the Unit holding our youngest when he was just a day or so old. He has just woken up from a nap (my husband) and his face has that kind of boyish soft, drowsy look, and my son's has the same look to it too.

They are looking at each other, and it's odd but my youngest boy would look right at you from the day he was born and he never had that unfocused gaze most newborns have - his was like a laser beam. He followed everything intently. He's still like that. He's just like his Dad - they both have keener insight than most folks I've ever seen. It's a great photo. I don't know why I have it in a box, but I can see it in my mind as though it were right in front of me.

Now look at what you've gone and done! :-o

There is nothing that I've ever experienced in my life like holding our babies. I remember how scared I was when TLB got pregnant the first time. I walked around in a daze wondering if I could do what needed to be done to support my family. Really scared the beejeezus out of me. I almost felt lost. Then I held that little fella'? Man, it just all went away for some reason. They are so tiny and helpless that it just appeals to something primeval in man I guess. Never did figure out why but there was never any doubt from that point forward. I even let them live through their teenage years!

It's all I can do not to interfere with my son having the same honor. I just want to grab up the grandbabies and cuddle them forever! Probably why the little one is so spoiled! Heh!

I gotta say, TiggerHawk must be some kind of a stud that he gets to be plural.

JHD,
The marking on your hands are a badge of honor to work and play. No woman in her right mind would turn her nose up at such a poignant witness of manliness.

I sure wouldn't. The Engineer's hands are work worn and calloused, and he does take care of them, but
they show love.

The effete young lady is a twit.

And I echo what Cass said about you.

I have a photo of the Engineer holding our firstborn while he slept. It is a sweet picture, that even in his sleep, he held this tiny baby so close...letting nothing happen.

I remember trying to take Jonathan from him after I took the picture so I could feed and change him, but his hold was so tight that I had to wake him up to get the baby.

Memories....so priceless.

Richard Dean Anderson post MacGyver.

Harrison Ford

Pierce Brosnan

Patrick Stewart

Clark Gable

Errol Flynn

Orlando Bloom
There is something about a pointy eared, long tressed blond man swinging around an elephant that just gets me...or it could have been his oh so perfect character in the first 'Pirates of the Carribean' that really got me going...he is a hottie.

heh.

MM, TiggerHawk is a very handsome man, and quite tall. He has a very attractive smile. I was really surprised at his height when I met him. Also, he doesn't photograph as well as he looks in person, but then many people don't. I take lousy photographs unless I'm not aware of the camera. Or it could simply be that I'm a dog :D

And he's not plural - it just seems that way because he's so far ahead of me all the time.

I have been known to break cameras..

Oh..wait, that is SeanPenn. Sorry.

For Cricket: http://www.jivemagazine.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1377

(Btw, nice list!)

""They are looking at each other, and it's odd but my youngest boy would look right at you from the day he was born and he never had that unfocused gaze most newborns have - his was like a laser beam. ""

Ahh I see we have a Scout, sniper, forward observer, or Spacefighter pilot in the making. :)

This post is so vile and reprehensible I think I am going to be physically ill.

I am sorry maam, but due to the recent adjective reallignment you can no longer use vile and reprrehensible in the same sentence.

You're just jealous.

Thanks FbL.

I loved Errol Flynn when I was a child. I think Orlando Bloom has that same quality of good looks, derring do and ability to charm the ladies. My daughter thinks he is just to die for.

We were reading something about Daniel Radcliffe meeting one of his fans...a small girl who burst into tears when she saw him. It sort of rattled him, but he took it in stride.

Some men just don't know what they do to us...

Actually Larry, believe it or not he is at the moment some kind of financial analyst thingy that I don't quite understand (he just changed jobs). He used to program mortgage risk applications for PhD economists, which was interesting work b/c you have to figure out all kinds of long-term financial and statistical stuff and he has a liberal arts degree, but he's a good thinker. I'm not sure what he's doing now but it's still in the same general realm.

Yes, Cricket. The Men of VC have that same quality. Many of them possess the ability to make me burst into tears on a daily basis, and I rather doubt they know they're doing it either.

I was trying to write a military-related post (on a blog which has been sorely lacking in that arena!), but this is what happened instead: http://www.villainouscompany.com/vcblog/archives/2006/07/give_us_some_ma.htm

It's all your fault, Cassandra! ;)

Oops! Wrong link! (LOL)

http://fuzzilicious.blogspot.com/2006/07/in-praise-of-hands.html

"That's another dead sexy thing: a man holding a baby. Gets us every time. I think it's the contrast of seeing this big guy holding this helpless infant."

Ahhh....like the oh so smokin' hot, buff, dark haired, shirtless, in blue jeans, KODAK ad stud sitting in like a bay window holding a--and w/ eyes fixed on, baby--- from maybe 20 years ago. MEEEOWZA! *vapors*

My cousin in the UK has had Pierce Brosnan come out to help her with her gardening/slug problems at her flat. He's a horticultural kinda guy. I told her to be SURE and say "hey" (baby oh baby oh baby) from me, and to also tell him how much I love Dubya. BWHAHAHAHA!

Has anyone mentioned Denzel Washington in their lists of causes for 'gettin' the vapors' ??

I noticed Cass has refrained from mentioning.....that guy who she hid from like behind a tree plant at a party one time...?....I'm gonna SAY it, Cass....I know you might hate me for it, but here goes.....: BRIT HUME

And speaking of FOX foxes. Shepard Smith doesn't exactly repulse me. No no, baby!

And maybe he's just too "pretty" for some, but Matthew McConaughey (sp?) catches my long term leering sometimes, too.

I also don't mind catching glimpses of former 49ers QB Steve Young. I once had a major crush on him.

And I still say that Michael Jordan is a handsome chocolate cueball kinda guy. Great smile. Just not alotta "ruggedness", but easy on the eyes nonetheless. And Mel Gibsons still got it going on, too. He just seems a little fidgety/nervous. But perhaps that's because (when I saw him) he's not comfortable speaking on the platform at a church. (~;) [My pastor put him at ease though and joined him up there for more of a Q&A thing]

NO man has the effect on me that Adrian Paul does though. Aiyeeee....I just get a little anxious about him ever opening his mouth to speak though (outside of his acting). I don't want to risk him bursting my image bubble. *sigh*

Sean Connery is rather enigmatic, ain't he? He's like 138 years old now and still makes some of us ladies swoon. What is UP with that?

Gee, Cass...I'm really in shock that Bill Maher didn't make your list! I mean after all. Any man that has endured the ugly stick abuse he and James Carville have deserves some sort of recognition....along with Mick Jagger and his boys.

HA! that my friends is how a party is poo'd upon.

You girls having fun over here while we manly men are hard at work? Good. We like to keep you focused on fluff so that we can justify paying you less.

What a bunch of lightweights you Stepford Wife types are. How about some REAL men?:

Michael Moore
Senator Edward Kennedy
Hillary Clinton
Senator John Francois Kennedy (rightful President!)
Sean Penn
Rob Reiner
Rep Barney Frank
Cindy Sheehan
Whoopi Goldberg
Al Franken
Bill Maher
Mahatma Ghandi
James Carville
Rep Henry Waxman (that nose makes me so freakin' HOT!)
Rosie O Donnell
Jerry Springer
Usama bin Laden
Bill Clinton (best President EVER)
Ay Karamba KOS Kos, and more KOS

That's us... fluffy. That's why y'all get paid more, darlin'. Because you're so good.

Pang tootin'

Real men.
Teddy Roosevelt
Lou Gehrig
Maj.Gen. Marion Carl, USMC

You are very chipper today. For a Dead Man, I mean.

Real men are the best of all. Cat has sent me some great photos, but I need to finish some work first.

Hey!
What do you say we all go down to the beach and buff!

[rubbing hands together]

All right, Ladies... watch him run...

OK! Does this mean we can bring our cameras? (smiling sweetly and batting her eyelashes furiously) :)

The rough men, tough men who in honoring yoni are manicured and tender. They would lay down all earthly life for the sweetness and tenderness of her taking his ivory smoothness to her pudenda and in turn receiving.
And most of all the strength to know she is herself and not his.

A real man would know the meaning of the word ironic. I admit I would be a little kinder around Tom Selleck, Antonio Bandaris, Harrison Ford and Lou Gerhig than I normally am.

Anyone who would marry that loser Katie Holmes, who along with that hippie singer doesn't know the meaning of ironic, is not a real man.

Hillary Clinton is a real man? Who checked?

Oh...almost fergot. Iffen y'all wanna see some manly men wearing unbifurcated clothing an sich, y'all doan wanna miss the Glengarry Highland Games
in Canada.

Cassandra,

You use "gender" as if it were a synonym for "sex." It is not. Gender refers to words: masculine or feminine. Sex refers to people: male or female. Remember: words have gender; people have sex.

Dave

Thanks for the laffs all.

Hands are good, but shoulders and arms, especially the triceps...oooh baby. long legs are great, too.
Sam Elliot, in a heartbeat
Sam Neill
Burt Lancaster
Toshiro MIfume -haven't any of you people seen Yojimbo? Sanjiro? Samurai Rebellion??
Russell Crowe - in an elevator if necessary
Bruce Willis...

I guess it's the action heros or the guys who are a little rough around the edges for the most part..I want a guy who's strong and confident enough to take care of business.

What about Chippendale dancers?

Oh yeah, vivi. Definitely. Mifume. And the guy in The Last Samuri

Ken Watanabe

http://imdb.com/name/nm0913822/

I could watch that man all day.

It's a shame I came late to the party - just wandered over here to VC from PowerLine, and am already totally hooked.

I have a simple philosophy which has served me well in my 27-year military and commercial career:

Just because a woman can be my colleague, my boss, or even the client who writes the checks....is no reason why, every once in awhile, she shouldn't be just a little bit spoiled.

Surprisingly in this post-feminist age, I never seem to get much in the way of objection. ;)

And on the subject of hands, I'm not sure why my beloved bride would do such a thing, but she tells me she has my hands insured. I presume she has her reasons, though she won't share them with me. When I ask, she just grins and blushes.

George Wendt. The quintessence of masculinity.

My first encounter with Charles Dance, as Sardo Numspa in the 1986 Eddie Murphy vehicle The Golden Child, did not lend itself to me thinking of him as a hunk.

For my money, the only actor to consistently rival Sean Connery in unadulterated masculinity no matter what the role... Jack Nicholson.

No, that was *not* one of his more attractive roles, was it? But watch him as Sgt. Guy Perron and tell me he isn't the dishiest thing on two legs.

And Kari, I have very likely lead a sheltered life, but I've never seen a Chippendales dancer.

The closest I've ever come was the day my very buff 13 year old youngest son stripped down to his jeans and a red bow tie and started gyrating his pelvis in a most disturbing fashion to "Pour Some Sugar On Me" by Def Leppard while his older brother was trying to do his chemistry homework. I shot a suction cup dart at his a$$.

Needless to say, not much work got done that afternoon. Their father has accused me of being a less-than-sobering influence.

I can't imagine why.

The story has a happy ending though. The oldest boy is a cop and my youngest is a financial analyst. They stayed out of trouble and both dated (and married or got engaged to) the same girl they met early on. They are wonderful, steady young men and I could not be prouder of them.

Must be their father's genes.

Charlie - Jack Nicholson gives me the creeps for some reason. I can't say why, but he scares me.

Ladies? Your opinion?

Yeah, Nicholson has a definite sexy quality and I'd even go so far as to categorize him as a manly man, but he also a kind of danger to him that is not sexy. Maybe it's just some of the roles he's played, but there's a very scary "edge" to him. I don't know how to say it... it's not verbal, it's just something I feel when I look at him or hear him speak.

I think he's a stellar actor and I thoroughly enjoy the movies of his that I've seen. But he'd never inspire any fantasies in me. Too scary.

(Typo. It should be, ..."not something I can verbalize, it's just something I..."

Gene Hackman.

Also MathMan, who just climbed Flattop Mountain in Anchorage, Alaska, on a transplanted heart.

With my eternal gratitude to the Casburn family, for donating Luke's heart to my husband.

No, Nicholson has seldom played masculine hunky, but...

from his breakout role in Easy Rider to Five Easy Pieces to Carnal Knowledge to Jake Gittes to Randall Patrick McMurphy to Henry Moon to Jack "Shining" Torrance to an astronaut to a mafia guy to a warlock to a pugnacious colonel to a retiring insurance salesman to an unorthodox psychiatrist to an aging lothario, he is invariably masculine--masculine cunning, masculine crass, masculine cuddly, musculine rude, masculine scary, masculine adorable, but always masculine.

PS: Even Brando or Depp, the very epitome of masculinity in some of their roles cannot claim Nicholson's thoroughgoing masculinity.

That does my heart good, MathMom. Tell him we said, "Howdy".

Charlie, I'll give him that - he's masculine!

Well said, Charlie.

I don't know if it's manly, but it's definitely beefcake. :D

http://mobyrebuttal.blogspot.com/2006/07/congratulazioni-litalia.html

Anybody know the name of the movie starring Jason
Statham that is the source of the picture used
to exemplify 'give us some manly men' meme? The
picture shows J. S. bearing a woman across his
shoulders.

The Transporter.

Cassandra, I mention Chippendales because a couple years ago New York Post ran a column about 'real men' returning to star in the dance troupe. I guess they had wimps before then. Maybe you could do some research.

And then Fuzzy goes and posts pics of the Italian soccer team over at the Castle instead of here where the genteel feminine oinkery can drool, blush and
swoon to their heart's content.

Naughty Girl.

Cass, I have had those moments with my children.
Glow-In-The-Dark Nerf missiles fired in a manner reminiscent of Bruce Lee with the lights off in our quarters...

Cricket, check my last comment above. *Ppppbbbbttttt!*

Well, Cass does allow posting of pics and links to same, so if you sent it to her in an email she will put it up.

heh.

This somehow seems apropos to the thread... ;)

http://www.dailywav.com/0706/leavesyoucold.wav

Too funny :)

An enjoyable post and comments. Gives me hope. Maybe I'll have to start opening doors for ladies again.

Oh, please do.

I fell in love with my husband in 1979 partly because he was still a gentleman. I still love him more than life itself because he tries to take care of me even when I don't want to be taken care of. We need more of that kind of man.

Just to clarify.

I can take care of myself.

But I don't want to live in a world where men no longer try to take care of women and children. We are different for a reason. There are things out there that I think perhaps I as a woman am better suited by nature to cope with. Babies, for instance. And if I had to kill someone to defend those I love, I know I could do it, but that sort of thing would destroy something in my soul. I am glad men can do that. I honor whatever it is in them that can face things like that down.

The Brunette and I were married in January of '79. She was an Air Force Staff Sergeant and I was a Corporal of Marines at the time. 5 kids and 27 years later and we're still carrying on.

Not many like y'all and us any more.

Still, as I watch kids these days, there seems to be a sea change coming. Not necessarily a left/right political shift (most seem to be centrists) but one that acknowledges that men and women are different.

Vive la differance!

March :)