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October 16, 2006
DimWittery Abounds....
*sigh*
Do people ever stop and think before they inveigh, or is it just the nature of the half vast punditocracy to start lobbing digital spitballs with their brains only part-way engaged?
We suppose it was inevitable. The "New Media" have gotten A Case Of The Arse (via InstaPundit):
The Captain’s Journal posed the following questions to Camps Lejeune and Pendleton:1. What units will deploy between now and mid-2007?
2. Will these units be issued the new “Modular Tactical Vest” prior to deployment?
3. Will there be any units deployed without having been issued the Modular Tactical Vest?
4. Will any of the units deployed between now and mid-2007 be deployed without having been issued the new helmet padding system in lieu of the webbing or sling suspension? (Editorial note: This last question pertains to a new helmet padding system that will help prevent traumatic and permanent brain injury from IEDs).Camp Lejeune hasn’t even responded by phone or e-mail. At least Camp Pendleton responded, but not in writing. The media relations personnel would only communicate via telephone. We talked to [name withheld] at Camp Pendleton, and were told that the Department of Defense does not support blogs. We responded by posing the following question: So if we were the LA Times or some similar MSM outlet, you would support our questions? In a profound revealing response, Camp Pendleton said, “but Sir, you aren’t the LA Times. You’re a … blog!”
Did The Captain's Journal, perchance, think to inquire how many Marines are available at the Camp Lejeune or Camp Pendleton PAO's to answer questions from both the new and old media as well as Congress, Hollywood, various celebrities, active and retired politicians, members of the general public, families, the malicious, and the idly curious?
Did it occur to them to wonder just how many blogs there are out there? In 2005, the Blog Herald counted 60 million of them. First of all, we can tell them that getting the answers to questions like that isn't easy even for HQMC. And if it isn't easy for them, it certainly isn't practical for the smallest of the services to go to GQ to answer individual questions from even a fraction of the 60 million blogs out there just because they happen to be curious about the operational details of what the Marine Corps is doing, which, by the way, are subject to change at any time. People who are doing real, live work have to be disturbed to answer questions like that, and at the risk of sounding snarky, we are not at all certain where the "need to know" is.
Last time we checked there was a war on.
The blogosphere is only in its infancy and already we are showing signs of all the evils for we justly mock the Old Media: thinking the world revolves around us and our questions, smelling conspiracies in the most mundane of practical decisions, whipping up outrage over fairly trivial offenses.
Recently we've been reading several outraged accounts of bloggers upset that DoD has banned their site from its computers. Again, when we went into the office daily, we would never have dreamed of pulling up a blog while in the office. From time to time we still go into the office, and we have never once surfed the Net while at work. It just isn't something we do. So it is hardly surprising that the federal government, especially DoD, with its network of secure servers, might not be too thrilled to have employees pulling up political sites during the work day. A close friend of mine, a Democrat, doesn't even
use her work computer to pull up any remotely politically-connected site because she doesn't want to be accused of Hatch Act violations, and we think she is wise.
Lose the paranoia. The world does not revolve around the blogosphere.
Employers have the right to impose reasonable workplace restrictions, and in a climate where manpower is in short supply there may be very good reasons (other than snobbery) why DoD or CENTCOM might not want to individually support questions from a vast disconnected network of individual bloggers.
Could we help them? Arguably, yes. But on the other hand we can also hurt them, and unlike the LA Times or the NY Times or the Washington Post the military has no recourse, nor is there any opportunity to establish a working relationship when they're dealing with a huge army of individuals who don't work for anyone and don't even pretend to adhere to any recognized set of standards (and in the case of the old media, we will admit that it is mostly a pretense).
Furthermore, there may be very good reasons for not wanting to answer certain questions, and the military does not always owe us justification. How about a little humility, here? Which side are we on?
Posted by Cassandra at October 16, 2006 07:26 AM
Comments
Why not just file a FOIA request?
Posted by: actus at October 16, 2006 08:39 AM
Funny, the questions sound very similar to questions in the Saturday Night Live skit just prior to Desert Storm where press asked such insightful questions as: Can you tell us the exact time and place where the offensive will begin? Can you give us an example of information that you don't want the enemy to know? etc.
Posted by: Frodo at October 16, 2006 12:30 PM
Now now Frodo.
There you go. Thinking like a military guy again.
/smack! Nothing is more important than answering questions.
Nothing.
Posted by: Cassandra at October 16, 2006 12:36 PM
Because, actus, that makes sense. How dare you insinuate such a nonsensical solution! The Captain's Journal would then have nothing to whine about, and therefore, nothing to post on (beotch about?) for the next week.
Posted by: Sly2017 at October 16, 2006 12:39 PM
I have a feeling I'm about to lose my temper.
Posted by: Cassandra at October 16, 2006 12:45 PM
How dare the Corps deny Captain's Journal some heavy blog traffic and linkage??
Just who do they think they are anyway???
Yeesh...they need to get some perspective here.
Posted by: Carrie at October 16, 2006 01:16 PM
Yeah, well I figured your take would be similar to mine, Carrie. But I was surprised at some of the comments on that site, coming from people who were military, no less. It was like they didn't understand why it might be difficult to answer questions like that (do you think maybe that is the only question of that type they got that day? that week? that month?).
Sheesh. My husband has actually had calls from people on the Hill who cannot understand why he isn't just *itching* to call up a combatant commander in Iraq and pull him out of the rack in the middle of the night to answer some survey, or other question that probably sounded like a very good idea at the time, but when it is rolled up with the other 10,000,000 questions that came in that day, is the straw that broke the camel's back.
People just don't really have any idea sometimes what they are asking. Yes, your question IS important...and so is everyone else's. And so is whatever the heck the guy answering was doing when he stopped to pick up the phone, or answer your email.
It all has to get balanced into the work load. And you may not come out on top of the priority heap, but if we are reasonable we do not get a case of the ass about it.
Admittedly LCpl So and So could perhaps have dealt with that situation a tad more gracefully, but who knows how it played out? This is all second hand.
Even if it is 100% as reported, I see no major issues with saying, "Sorry - that is too much work - we have limited resources and we have to prioritize".
Posted by: Cassandra at October 16, 2006 01:28 PM
Frodo is getting all up in your face just because he has been in Iraq.
And isn't that just like one of them deranged vet fellers?
Hey buddy... you seeing anybody about that? Ummm... you're not armed, are you????
Heh.
*running away*
Posted by: Cassandra at October 16, 2006 01:32 PM
You know I'm in the middle of some serious mean today but I did go over and read some of the comments and I just shook my head.
What units are deploying? What units are going to get the specialized so and so armor?
Jesus Christ on a pogo stick.
No terrorists would ever really be interested in that, now would they?
Posted by: Carrie at October 16, 2006 01:49 PM
And FWIW, I think they're being consistent.
DoD release concerning reserve units as an example,
the Army Reserve and the National Guard list each unit and give a state total for activated personnel but do not note which units are included in the state total.
USMC lists all of their reserve units and no numbers except the servicewide total of activated reservists.
You can't tell which units are being activated at all.
Posted by: Carrie at October 16, 2006 02:19 PM
No fear Cassandra, I was armed this weekend, but no longer ... and you should be comforted by the knowledge that yours truely (and all the Hobbits of the Shire who deployed to Mordor) will once again go through a psychological screening sometime soon ... third time is the charm I guess (third time if you don't count the mailings and phone calls from the VA etc. to ask if I'm doing okay). I feel like the Chick character in Armageddon when he he freaks out during his screening ... I can deal with what I went through in Mordor, what I can't deal with is all the psychological screenings to 'help me' cope with what I went through.
Posted by: Frodo at October 16, 2006 02:32 PM
Jesus Christ on a pogo stick? :)
Now THAT'S entertainment!
Posted by: Don Brouhaha at October 16, 2006 02:45 PM
Hi Ho, Hi Ho, It's off to hell I go....
Posted by: Carrie at October 16, 2006 02:56 PM
Oh, but Frodo... we want to know what you're feeling...
Feelings.
Nothing more than feeeeeeeeeeelllliiiiings
Trying to forget mahhhhhhh- ah - ahhhhhh
Feelings of luuuuuuuuuuuuuvv
Aiiiieeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[sound of gunfire]
Posted by: Cassandra at October 16, 2006 03:10 PM
ARRRRRRRRRR
Posted by: Frodo at October 16, 2006 03:56 PM
The would have had plenty of time to answer the question if they weren't too busy checking me out. I am responsible for most of the wasted time at most offices.
Posted by: J-Lo's Butt at October 16, 2006 04:30 PM
You ain't it, Miss Thang...
Posted by: Keira Knightley at October 16, 2006 05:06 PM
You just made me spit my drink out.
If Keira Knightly's Jaw posts, I *am* going to lose it.
Posted by: Cassandra at October 16, 2006 05:11 PM
To the junior Miss Knightley:
Neither are you but I am.
I am like fine wine and you are like just bottled concord grape juice.
You and J-Lo's posterior can take a hike. The adults are here. Playtime is ovahhhhhh!
To Miz C...
Fear not, the jaw is clenched.
Posted by: Diane Lane's bone structure at October 16, 2006 05:26 PM
I would defend Miss Knightley's Jaw, but like the Were-Penguins, I don't exist.
Posted by: Keira Knightley's Chest at October 16, 2006 05:45 PM
I know the feeling.
Posted by: Tim Robbins' package at October 16, 2006 05:48 PM
DLBS: Don't blame me cause I'm connected to the rest of J-Lo. I admit my limitations given my handicaps, but not in the history of Hollywood has one ass overcome so much mediocrity. I'm an adult in his world, but I'm being lead around by the playground.
Posted by: J-Lo's Butt at October 16, 2006 11:08 PM
*Has lost many hours to lectures on this subject*
*feels urge to smack the guy who replied to the blog and didn't tell them to contact the public affairs office--unless he was with the PAO*
*sighs because the Blog probably don't CARE that #1 is solidly OpSec, and the other three are possible security threats*
*wishes she'd thought of the Frodo shtick*
Posted by: Sailorette at October 17, 2006 03:51 AM
If the Corps wants you to know something...it will tell you. Otherwise, STHU, with all due respect.
Posted by: LtCol USMC(Ret) at October 17, 2006 07:41 AM
Kiera Knightly, your chest is a pirate's nightmare; buried treasure. I am the Bosom To Die for. And if allus body parts were to join together, what would we look like? Remember, no one is More Important Than The Other, although
J-Lo's butt pretty much controls everything if she refuses to uh, vent on a regular basis.
So, she wins.
Posted by: Lindsay Lohan's Breasts at October 17, 2006 09:05 AM
LLB
amateurs.
Posted by: Jessica Simpson's chesticles at October 17, 2006 09:38 AM
'wishes she'd thought of the Frodo shtick'?
Listen here Squidette, I'll have you know that Frodo is the real deal, not some 'shtick' ... so you best show some respect before the big hairy foot comes down on you!
Posted by: Frodo at October 17, 2006 10:08 AM
And btw, Lindsay Lohan's Breasts are not what they used to be.
Posted by: Frodo at October 17, 2006 10:09 AM
I'm with Frodo on this one.
"Does the new vest have any weak spots an opponent should target?"
"And what tactics will they use to clear buildings?"...
W
T
F
I should HOPE that the Marines would decline to answer those questions either for a blog OR for the LA Times..
Posted by: MAJ Anon at October 17, 2006 03:41 PM
Just a FWIW, but that fellow who opined that the DOD doesn't support blogs is all wet. I have personally be contacted by a PA officer at Centcom and asked to participate in blog-support program of Getting the Word Out.
Much smarter claim might have been "This command does not support blogs." But the wider assertion is simply witless, not to mention counter-factual.
M
Posted by: Mark Alger at October 17, 2006 03:43 PM
OK, I am going to weigh in here.
*sigh*
CENTCOM has gone out of their way to support blogs, even to the point of asking us how they can better give us what we need to get the word out, WITHOUT it being perceived as a propaganda effort. They have asked us, "what do you WANT to hear?", NOT "what can we feed you?" I have traded emails with them and they have been beyond helpful. It really frosts me when people expect them to go all Hollywood. That is not what CENTCOM does, and personally if they start acting like that I for one will not be pleased. Slick is not what the military is good at, and that is why America still trusts us. Think about what you are asking them to do, people. They provide information. They don't put lipstick on pigs.
And IMAO, they really do not have to answer EVERY NOSY QUESTION WE ASK THAT VIOLATES OPSEC, FROM 10,000 INDIVIDUAL BLOGS.
Bloggers need to be reasonable and think about the fact that there are practical limits on what the military can (and should) do to support us in an information capacity.
I really hesitated to write this post because I thought I was going to get jumped on with both feet, both by military people and bloggers. Frankly I'm surprised I haven't been accused of being a mean-spirited poopy head officer snotty wife.
But there are different perspectives depending on where you live in the food chain and I just felt that I needed to provide the one from where I am sitting. I'm surprised I didn't get my head bitten off (yet)
Posted by: Cassandra at October 17, 2006 04:02 PM
Cass, I don't think you will get your head bit off from One Of Us who have either been in the service or who, for better or worse, became
the spouse of a service member.
I think where you will get the 'Why the heck not?' is from clueless civilians. Note that I did not say liberals.
Posted by: Cricket at October 17, 2006 04:08 PM
Once again, J-Lo's Butt is literally begging for a spanking, Cricket.
Do you ever get the impression he... err... she enjoys this?
Posted by: Cassandra at October 17, 2006 04:11 PM
Yep. J-Lo's butt needs a spanking. She has been very cheeky lately, bouncing in and out of threads with a very jaunty air.
Posted by: Cricket at October 17, 2006 08:55 PM