Villainous Company

Marines are notoriously hard headed like that, no?

Well, you know I think it is just men.

They never listen to us.

I totally agree with your comments to your husband regarding the "Truth" of the state of afairs in Iraq. Certainly, a person whose military training consists of being a security guard at the Capitol should possess a better understanding of the military and political situation in Iraq than those risking their lives to perform the tactics and strategies of the Surge!
I sent that "Wally Peepers" looking little feather merchant my sincere thoughts regarding his qualifications to challenge two General officers with over 70 years of Military service, ie., NONE!
This little sawed-off loudmouth ducked any service during the Vietnam war and then has the impudence to call two National Heros "incompetent!"
Harry Reid makes the weak-willed Bill Frist look like a piller of strength! Every time that twerp opens his mouth, he spews political garbage. Harry is betting the success of his party and, therefore, his position of power and authority on the failure of the U. S. and Coalition forcs in Iraq and Afganistan. By doing so, he, in my opinion, provides aid and comfort to the enemy and should be excoreated by his colleagues...not praised! He is an embarrassment to the Nation and one can only hope that the people of Nevada toss his skinny litle butt out into the desert at the earliest possible time!
Thanks for letting me vent!

Jim Lake
Major USMC(ret)

Did you say something?

My pleasure, sir :p

And Grim, start running.

Oh look...Grim made a funny.

Huh?

Did he say something?

He who?

I can't stand the man. Harry Reid, that is.

I couldn't stand Reid before. I despise him, now.

What I despise even more is that he is undoubtedly fooling, "some of the people."

That really frosts my cookies!

Reid's mischaracterizing Petraeus as saying things are, "fine," is nothing new, either.

All across the blogosphere, the anti-war-bots, have for quite some time, characterized anyone who doesn't sign onto their, "Iraq is a total disaster," scenario as, "painting a rosy picture."

When you have to mischaracterize someone else's position to support your own, it's pretty pathetic. Of course, PATHETIC, is definitely a word I'd have no trouble using to describe Harry Reid right now.

“ 'It is still premature to be arriving at judgments, conclusions and too many predictions at this point in the operation,' said Bergner. [...] 'As we make progress, it will not be like flipping a light switch,' Bergner said. 'It will be gradual, nuanced and subtle.' ”

http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12217&Itemid=128

Yea - it will take at least 50 years more than the we've already been there.

"Yea - it will take at least 50 years more than the FOUR we've already been there."

Exactly!

It is far more reasonable and helpful to just pronounce the whole bloody thing a failure before we even have the troops in place, as I've been doing for several months now!

All across the blogosphere the war-bots have for quite some time characterized anyone who doesn't sign onto their "Iraq is a rosy picture" scenario as being subhuman traitors who want to give our infant daughters over to the slobbering islamic terrorists for violation. When you have to mischaracterize someone else's position to support your own, it's pretty pathetic.

As I said when I wholeheartedly endorsed the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group in December... America must change course and do what they recommend immediately.

Unless, of course, the White House starts implementing the ISG's recommendations. In that case, I oppose them unconditionally.

When you have to mischaracterize someone else's position to support your own, it's pretty pathetic.

Exactly. As in when I keep cherry picking General Petraeus' comments to suggest he is painting an overly optimistic picture of our progress when he is doing no such thing.

Pitiful, really. Sometimes I am just ashamed of myself.

Sometimes I am just ashamed of you too, Harry. Now get back to work.

...the war-bots have for quite some time characterized anyone who doesn't sign onto their "Iraq is a rosy picture" scenario as being subhuman traitors who want to give our infant daughters over to the slobbering islamic terrorists for violation...

No mischaracterization of anyone's position there. Hyperbole neither.

Nossir. It's a good thing our side is above such tactics.

"All across the blogosphere the war-bots have for quite some time characterized anyone who doesn't sign onto their "Iraq is a rosy picture" scenario as being subhuman traitors who want to give our infant daughters over to the slobbering islamic terrorists for violation."

What part of the terrorists are not going to stop even if we leave Iraq do you not get?
Do you honestly think Senator Reid, Naughty Nancy and ex-Marine Murtha want us to win in Iraq?

The fact that they are playing politics with peoples' lives, Iraqi AND American...does that totally escape you?

Be silent, subhuman traitor!

Oooh Nancy, I love it when you go all dominatrix...
Isn't there a whip with those red fishnets?

Incredulous..I mean Inquiring Minds want to know...

"No mischaracterization of anyone's position there. Hyperbole neither."

You mean - I can't use hyperbole EITHER? Well, that's just no fun!

All across the blogosphere the war-bots have for quite some time characterized anyone who doesn't sign onto their "Iraq is a rosy picture" scenario as being subhuman traitors who want to give our infant daughters over to the slobbering islamic terrorists for violation. When you have to mischaracterize someone else's position to support your own, it's pretty pathetic. -- Incredulous Reader

Your inability to see reality is really not our problem, now, is it? You mischaracterize what I said, in the very comment you're trying to refute?

I know nobody in the, "pro-war," side of the blogosphere who does not acknowledge that everything is NOT ROSY in Iraq.

Your hyperbole and mischaracterization only prove my point.

Thanks for playing.

Give him hell, JannyMae.

what's not to like about a little hyperbole among friends? it makes us feel so ... connected to each other.

You have friends here?

"Do you honestly think Senator Reid, Naughty Nancy and ex-Marine Murtha want us to win in Iraq? The fact that they are playing politics with peoples' lives, Iraqi AND American...does that totally escape you?"

Nope - no hyperbole here. Just a bunch of traitors, playing with peoples' lives. GWB isn't playing with peoples' lives, now is he? Maybe you'd like to take another drink of the kool-aid before trying to answer that one, w-b.

"Work with me, dear."

PRICELESS.

Headline - "Reid: Baghdad Troops "Out of Touch"

Actual Quote - "Sen. Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) charged that Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, "isn't in touch with what's going on in Baghdad."

Indeed. Lie much?

Silence fool! So you want everyone to that you are that "Markin Irvine" droid that nearly cost us the the "Non-Binding Resolution Unbinding Us From Our Votes in Favor of Invading Iraq?"

Kneel before your goddess any speak only ill of the President!

"Nope - no hyperbole here. Just a bunch of traitors, playing with peoples' lives. GWB isn't playing with peoples' lives, now is he? Maybe you'd like to take another drink of the kool-aid before trying to answer that one, w-b."

I believe Reid is quoted as saying they hope to pick up seats because of "Bush's war". And the peanut gallery's endorsement of the ISG and then when it's implemented, their backtracking and vitriolic criticism of it.
Also, the surge hadn't been on for very long when it was already declared a failure by Reid, Murtha and the rest of the whores.
And now Reid says that he thinks Gen. Pace and Gen Petraeus are incompetent...setting the stage for the report due in September and he voted for both of their confirmations, din't he?

President Bush doesn't have a choice in the matter and at the ver least, shows the respect and admiration that our servicemembers deserve.

So if you want to be in the party of whores, you go right ahead. It seems a good fit to me.

It smelt like Mark in Irvine, it walked like him and talked like him.

color me surprised.

Yes. General Petraeus isn't in Baghdad and isn't one of the troops. He's actually not a member of the armed forces at all. And since Petraeus is saying exactly the same thing that many, many other deployed troops are saying, if Reid says he's out of touch with reality, that wouldn't make THEM out of reality for saying the same thing, would it?

And it doesn't encourage the insurgency at all to REPEATEDLY announce that the Surge has failed before all the troops are even in place. It doesn't help them gain recruits to repeatedly criticize the military leadership over there and say a plan that hasn't had a chance to be implemented yet had failed to achieve the results it wasn't supposed to acheieve until this Fall.

That is not an *unfair* criticism. No, not at all.

He is actually helping our side. He is supporting the troops who are in the line of fire by doing this.

Not sure how yet, but when I figure it out I'll let ya know.

Mark,
You have managed to tick off just about everybody that comments here. Not to mention, our lovely blog princess.
You're rude, your situational awareness is sub-par,
you're pompous, you're irritating, and most importantly, you're bothering my friend and coming dangerously close to being called a stalker.

AND THAT I won't have.

You said that you were leaving and not coming back. Be a man and own your words.
Do the right thing.

i'm sure you have confused me with someone else

Madam P. and Senate Leader Windsock,

I came because I sensed a great disturbance in The Force. luckily it was only bribe... er, ear-marks tied to funding the completion of the Death Star during our forward-deployed operations.

However, I find the Reich-wing war-bots lack of faith in The Message deeply disturbing.

Shall I render them quark from quark while we redeploy the Death Star to the Okinawa galaxy?

And I'm sure I don't.

From the article:
Hinting that Petraeus may be greeted skeptically at his much-anticipated testimony in September on the state of the Iraq war, Reid said he is "waiting to see if General Petraeus can be a little more candid with this." -- Harry Reid

Translation: I'm waiting to see if he tells me what I want to hear, and I will dismiss what he has to say, if he does not...

Sorry, I will take the testimony of someone who is actually there over a pompous ass in Congress who refuses to even listen to what those actually there have to say, before forming his, "beliefs."

Reid was convinced that the war was lost and the surge wasn't working before it was even fully implemented? He has no credibility whatsoever.

Incompetent fool! You have failed in your mission! Rather than subvert the minds of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, you have shown them the soft-underbelly of surrender politics! Your mindless retorts have only emboldened our enemies in their struggle to unseat us fro the power that is rightfully ours, and ours alone! Be gone, rodent.

As you wish Empero... Mistress P. & Senate Leader Windsock.

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. Then again, maybe not if you kiss it with your eyes closed.

Hey, Grim!
The Major said a lot more than you did, assface!

And then there are those who refuse to look at the pig before kissing it but take someone else's word about the pig who hates it and also hasn't bothered to go see it, over that of someone who lives with it every day.

And that would be Senator Reid.

Don't confuse keeping quiet and unquestionningly doing what others tell you to do with identifying what's best for the country.

Whether, when, for how long, and on what terms to fight a war are among the most profound decisions a nation encounters. A democratic society must debate these issues throughout the conflict. Dissent that questions the conduct and morality of a war is the very essence of responsible and courageous citizenship. War generates a powerful mass psychology. Emotions run high. Spies, saboteurs, and terrorists lurk around every corner. Our way of life is imperiled. Anything that increases the danger to our troops - our sons and daughters - is feared and despised. The thought that a loved one or friend has put life and limb at risk for an unworthy cause is intolerable. We are just; our enemy is cruel, immoral, inhuman. Loyalty is the order of the day. In such an atmosphere, the line between dissent and disloyalty is elusive, and often ignored. The United States has a long and unfortunate history of overreacting to the perceived dangers of wartime. Time and again, Americans have allowed fear and fury to get the better of them. Time and again, Americans have suppressed dissent, imprisoned and deported dissenters, and then - later - regretted their actions.

I think Miss Cheese Danish is mixing her metaphors.

Time and again, Americans have suppressed dissent, imprisoned and deported dissenters, and then - later - regretted their actions.

And then there's the fear mongering and the hyperbole.

Goverment is brutally crushing dissent! Why in 1882 a man beat another with a cane on the Senate floor!

Japanese were interned!

Of course that's not happening now... but never mind.

Once again you are doing precisely what you accuse your opponents of doing - falsely inflating and mischaracterizing their arguments to try and inject fear into the discussion. Show me the bodies buried under the Rose Garden and we'll talk. Meanwhile excuse me if I tune out Keith Olbermann as he shouts from the rooftops that he is living in a climate of fear where no one dares to oppose our Fascist Dictator of a President.

Bullshit and you know it.

Fear and fury. What a load of hogwash. You come on my site and say whatever you want in that atmosphere of "fear and fury". You wouldn't know fear and fury if it bit you on the ass because people like my husband and son protect your right to mock their efforts.

Oh, and your insults are tolerated in this atmosphere of "fear and fury". But once again... you are being brutally repressed. Poor Mark.

Come and see the violence inherent in the system!

What a joke.

I don't mock their efforts – they are doing the job that GWB and his impotent geezers from Project for an American Century have forced them to do. I think they should come home now. GWB and his Viagra-popping geezers have so totally screwed up the situation in the world that MY GRANCHILDREN AND GREAT GRANDCHILDREN (and YOURS!) will be having to clean up this f*****g mess for years and years. I agree that you are not suppressing dissent - you are perpetuating a simple-minded approach to this situation by vilifying anyone (like me) who disagrees with you. To you what I say is "bullshit" and "hogwash" and "asinine", and I am an "incompetent fool" and a "rodent" (I have NEVER said anything like that). You sound like the lefty wing-bats in their criticism of the righty wing-bats. You are skilled at slinging invective and elocution, but there’s not much wisdom or empathy in evidence. You’re a cheerleader for the milibots who march to the beat of the thoughtless, selfish, deluded drummers who don’t give a s**t about you or your children or mine, but are more concerned about supplying the US with more oil so we can continue in our gluttonous life-style. NOTHING going on in Iraq now has ANYTHING to do with the high and mighty pronouncements of your beloved SHRUB (your term) and EVERYTHING to do with privatization of Iraq’s oil, establishment of permanent military bases, and expanding US hegemony further into the middle-east. Just read the “emergency funding” measure recently passed and look for the protections for non-Iraqi oil companies, and ask yourself whether the lives and limbs of your friends and Carrie’s were worth the prospect of uninterrupted oil imports from Iraq. THAT’s what’s going on there, and all your talk about principle is what is BS. The military is doing a job, a dirty job, that they were told to do – that’s their job, but it is NOT the job America should be doing. YOU ARE TOO CLOSE TO THE SITUATION TO SEE THAT, AND YOUR DAILY BREAD DEPENDS ON IT CONTINUING.

"Goverment is brutally crushing dissent! Why in 1882 a man beat another with a cane on the Senate floor!
Japanese were interned! Of course that's not happening now... but never mind. "

No that's true - Americans (and others) are being called "enemy combatants" without any evidence of same, and imprisoned for years without ever being charged. Nope - nothing wrong here. These are not the droids you're looking for. Move along.

" ...supplying the US with more oil so we can continue in our gluttonous life-style."

and more importantly, so THEY can continue with THEIR opulent, gluttonous lifestyle.

Yeah, you're right. You've never been insulting at all.

It's not at all insulting to keep saying, though you've been told over and over military people volunteer for and believe in their mission, that they are victims who have been FORCED to fight.

It's not at all insulting to tell someone her daily bread continues on a war continuing, though mysteriously her husband has gotten paid since 1981 with no war going on, and his retirement is already locked in even if he quit tomorrow. Not unfair, either.

We wouldn't just... oh, I don't know, say anything to win an argument, would we? Because you have wisdom or empathy.

It's really amazing.

I can accept that you disagree on philosophical grounds without requiring you to agree with me.

You, however, can only deal with someone disagreeing with you by assuming they are too stupid or ignorant to know better or have been forced or victimized.

First of all, you are attributing things to me that I did not say. Not every other character on this site is me.

And if you are going to say that your dissent is being repressed, I am going to call bullshit on that. It is not a matter of opinion, but fact. Period. In fact, I am saying it on my dime, on my site.

Neither of those were personally insulting. They went to the argument, not the person unlike what you said.

And I did not say the other two. So I really have nothing more to say except that the entire nature of your arguments has consistently been deeply and personally insulting to me personally and to military people in general and what you take exception to is that I have disparaged ONLY your ARGUMENTS, not you.

There is a huge difference between saying 'you have advanced a poor argument' (however pithily) and disparaging someone's character and/or intelligence, which you have done several times.

Well, if everyone is so out of touch, I suggest a group hug, and a chakra alignment, followed by a ginseng colonic and telling Senator Reid to hold it while he goes on a factfinding tour of Baghdad.

Good Lord. At this stage of the game is someone actually repeating that "No blood for oil" canard? There is something about minds like that that also repeat things like "it's for the children" and "standing up for the little guy" slogans. Bill Clinton revealed that as "boob bait for the bubbas."

What's frightening is that people like that elect people like Mike Nifong. Who was disbarred today.

Earlier I sensed a disturbance in the Force.

May I suggest we forget about all that? UN Doctor has the right idea - move along :)

'Night, folks.

G'nite Milady.

Thanks for your efforts, they are appreciated.