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August 27, 2008

Please Tell Me McCain Is Not This Dumb

A stuffed marmoset by parcel post to the lucky reader who can tell me what factor of more than esoteric interest to bitter, God-and-gun clinging folk like yours truly receives nary a mention here?

Posted by Cassandra at August 27, 2008 11:55 AM

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Posted by: Grim at August 27, 2008 12:06 PM

Looks like you can get to the page (fellow readers!) if you cut everything following .html out of the address bar.

I'm going to guess the missing factor is "executive experience." But my second guess is the dangers of the "Where Art Thou, Mitt?" factor.

Posted by: Grim at August 27, 2008 12:11 PM

Thanks. Fixed - it had a single vs. double quote at the end of the link.

Not unrelated to my concern ;p (not the Mitt part - the executive experience part).

Posted by: You're very warm... at August 27, 2008 12:15 PM

Looking through the 100+ comments for an additional clue, I did discover this:

"The first African-American running for president is not a novelty but a momentous event in our history which reflects the progression of the Democratic Party and the regression of the Republican Party that it would dismiss such a momentous event in our history as a novelty but then what else can Republicans say given that they are actually quite terrified of the prospect of an African-American in the White House who represents all the people instead of just some."

That's right, folks: that's all one sentence. It's a single, complete thought.

Posted by: Grim at August 27, 2008 12:22 PM

So, another guess: you're opposed to picking someone without the experience just because she's a woman (or other minority)? You're afraid that having a lower standard for women will tend to drive down expectations for women across the board, and thus deny them full equality?

That's related to her lack of executive experience: you view her as less qualified, but she is chosen anyway as VP just on the strength of being the party's senior female.

Posted by: Grim at August 27, 2008 12:34 PM

Honestly, I don't think on that much. It annoys me when I think women are being picked as tokens (but aren't well qualified) because it only feeds the already prevalent idea among men that women are incompetent, overly emotional ditzes who can't seem to do anything without help.

But I can't do anything about that, and they are going to rail on regardless of what happens. So I mostly let that sort of thing go. I think that despite this attitude, most men are pretty fair when they do run into someone who can do a job, but happens to be female. I think a lot of biases work that way: one can have a general disposition to think a certain way about a class of people, yet easily set it aside when the individual case doesn't fit the mold.

So no, that's not it. I don't think the sex of the VP pick is that important, frankly, except as it relates to the ability to attract disgruntled Hillary voters.

Posted by: Cass at August 27, 2008 12:40 PM

Well, I'm operating on the assumption that your test for a good VP is the same as your test for a good President -- and, therefore, recalling your reasons for supporting Mitt Romney. However, that's sort of unusual: that's how I choose a desirable VP, because the VP's main job is to be prepared to replace the President. What is more common is to choose one who will deliver a block of voters by state or whatever.

I'm running through what I know about Hutchinson, and I can't think of anything else associated with her that seems normally important to you. She doesn't have any real hot buttons I know of. She's not an absolutist on abortion either way, so she shouldn't annoy you there; she's a gun rights girl, but you don't really care about guns; she's not a mesmerizing speaker, but again, that's not something you care about much. She's from Texas, which seems like a waste from the "block-voter" method of picking a VP, as surely Texas is Red if any state is. She was associated with a criminal probe into her electioneering at one point; though I seem to recall she was cleared, I can't be sure of that.

I'll confess myself defeated in today's "read Cassandra's mind" game. :) Maybe one of the other readers will be able to see it, though.

Posted by: Grim at August 27, 2008 12:47 PM

Not so! First of all, you were absolutely right about how I view her, Grim.

And this wasn't intended to make anyone read my mind. I just thought it might generate some interesting discussion :p

By the way, you pretty much hit on it here:

I'm operating on the assumption that your test for a good VP is the same as your test for a good President -- and, therefore, recalling your reasons for supporting Mitt Romney. However, that's sort of unusual: that's how I choose a desirable VP, because the VP's main job is to be prepared to replace the President.

NOWHERE in that article does it say anything that leads me to think she would be chosen b/c she'd be a good second-in-line (i.e., VP). As I said, it was really close to what you originally said - no executive experience - just not precisely on the mark b/c I have a 2nd consideration:

I would want this person to be credible as a standalone candidate in 2012. I don't see KBH in that category, even with a few years' VP experience.

Posted by: Cass at August 27, 2008 12:53 PM

I didn't mean the "read Cassandra's mind" line as a criticism. I thought it was kind of a fun game; I just was tapped out, is all. :)

Who is a credible standalone candidate for 2012, in the current field? It's hard to think of a lot of names on either side. Sen. Clinton, of course.

Posted by: Grim at August 27, 2008 01:02 PM

Ah.Great question. A lead in to my next post!

Posted by: Cass at August 27, 2008 01:06 PM

It's a single, complete thought.

It's a single, complete sentence, but I don't see any evidence that *thought* entered into it...

Posted by: BillT at August 27, 2008 01:08 PM

"I'll confess myself defeated in today's "read Cassandra's mind" game. :) Maybe one of the other readers will be able to see it, though."

I would tell you, but I left my flying marsupial shield at my other *home*.....
0>;~}

Posted by: DL Sly at August 27, 2008 01:11 PM

I think if you expect McCain to pull a rabbit out of the hat and choose some incredible person as VP, then I think McCain needs a new hat. There are no 'incredible' choices out there for McCain.

The probable VP has already been mentioned SOMEWHERE, I'm sure, by the many prognosticators.

I like Mitt, but the media (who doesn't) will be all over him, plus I think McCain doesn't like him (they are both Westerners, too).

Rob Portman; meh.

Tim Pawlenty; may help deliver Minnesota and help in Wisconsin (which almost went R- last time, except for some, hmmm, voting irregularities?).

I know who I would pick (go ahead, ask me!), but I'm not McCain. I would guess that McCain would pick Pawlenty.

Posted by: Don Brouhaha at August 27, 2008 01:14 PM

Well, it's a run-on sentence: but what's striking is that it really does seem to be a single thought for the author. The rules of grammar can't quite capture it, so he moves outside of them.

In doing so, though, he does present us a more accurate picture of his mind: my guess is that this isn't a set of propositions, any of which could be argued against. Rather, it's a single concept, mutually reinforcing, which cannot be pulled apart in his mind.

Posted by: Grim at August 27, 2008 01:14 PM

"It's a single, complete sentence,..."

It's actually a run-on sentence and would have garnered an immediate "F" from my English Comp prof.

Jus' sayin'....
0>;~}

Posted by: DL Sly at August 27, 2008 01:14 PM

Hmmm......three comments time stamped for the exact same time. I feel a disturbance in the Force...

Posted by: DL Sly at August 27, 2008 01:16 PM

Posted by: Inconceeeeeivable!!!! at August 27, 2008 01:30 PM

Bwa ha ha ha ha!!!!

THIS JUST SHOWS US THE BBCS REAL AGENDA.. I'M NOT BEING RACIST BUT SO-CALLED CELEBRITIES ARE PEDDLING THEIR LIES BECAUSE I AM NOW ASHAMED OF BRITAIN. THE ONLY SOLUTION IS TO BURN THEM ALIVE.

- Common sence Wirral

Posted by: Inconceeeeeivable!!!! at August 27, 2008 01:32 PM

Subject? Yup. A plethora of same.

Predicate? Yup. A superfluosity of same.

Object? Yup. Several.

So, strictly speaking, it's a complete sentence, albeit a conflatulatedly discombobulated one.

I left my flying marsupial shield at my other *home*.....

Eeeep -- she's found the 'possum with the JATO bottles!

Posted by: BillT at August 27, 2008 02:35 PM

While I have nothing against Kay Bailey Hutchinson, I agree it's stupid to pick her solely because of her plumbing.

Posted by: MikeD at August 27, 2008 02:37 PM

I dunno.

I hear its *some* plumbing. Indoor, and all...

Posted by: Inconceeeeeivable!!!! at August 27, 2008 02:42 PM

Even I ain't gowanna touch dat one!

Posted by: roto rooter at August 27, 2008 02:52 PM

I hear its *some* plumbing. Indoor, and all...

As wierd as this sound, that reminds me of the discussion where I knew my wife was a keeper. Remind me to tell you sometime.

Posted by: MikeD at August 27, 2008 03:03 PM

Actually, KBH has some interesting experience of which I was unaware until the other day:

From Wiki:

She received her bachelor of arts degree from the University of Texas at Austin in 1962, where she was a cheerleader in the 1960s, and a sister of Pi Beta Phi sorority. She received her J.D. from the University of Texas School of Law in 1967. Following her graduation from law school, she was the legal and political correspondent for KPRC-TV in Houston.

In 1972, Hutchison was elected to the Texas House of Representatives from a district in Houston. She served until 1976. She was vice-chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board from 1976 to 1978. She was a candidate for election to the United States House of Representatives in 1982 for the Dallas-based 3rd District, but was defeated in the primary by Steve Bartlett. She temporarily left politics and became a bank executive and successful businesswoman.

So...she's not just a senator. She has done something else with her life. I'm not sure I see "Vice President" when I look at her, but I know she considered running for Gov of Texas at one time.

I think Mitt would kick terrorist butt. I want Mitt.

Posted by: MathMom at August 27, 2008 10:57 PM

I'd like to see Fred Thompson on the ticket...but that's me.

Posted by: camojack at August 28, 2008 01:14 AM

Camo-

I think Fred Thompson would kick terrorist butt, too, but he has lymphoma. It is in remission, but stress and strain suppress the immune system, and a job such as VP would be the very definition of stress and strain. He needs his immune system to keep the lymphoma at bay (see Tony Snow). I worry that the lymphoma would recur and that we'd lose him to the disease. He was rather yellow-looking on the campaign trail, and that worried me even then.

He is well spoken, has clear vision, and knows who he is. He appears to be immune to bullying. I just wish he was well - I'd be for him too.

One thing worried me about Mitt - that was that he picked up the theme of the Dems right away and began to use the terminology about being an "agent of change", which irked me. I don't need someone who will throw around the terminology that is popular at the moment to try to score points.

A tsunami is an agent of change, as is a tornado, a house fire, an earthquake, a mugger, and a car wreck. It's best to ask what sort of change is necessary, not just buy a can of "Change" off the shelf and hope it works. I personally want some "Same", like continuing on the "same" course in Iraq and against the war on terror. I don' need no stinkin' "change", just for change's sake.

Posted by: MathMom at August 28, 2008 07:30 AM

And a hearty Harrumph from the Hun hovel!

Posted by: bt_in-an-indeterminate-state_hun at August 28, 2008 07:54 AM

Excellent comments, Mathmom. This means that you are thinking. We can't have that. Common sense is not the agent of same we need, dagnabit!

I was unaware that Fred Thompson was ill. I agree with you, the Veep office would kill him.

Posted by: Cricket at August 28, 2008 08:49 AM

Hiya, Cricket -

First, I apologize for thinking. It is certainly out of character for me. :)

I was impressed by Mitt's understanding of the apocalyptic vision of Mahmood Ahmadinejad - his whole 12th Imam thing, and the desire for a global caliphate. He understands the storm clouds on the horizon, and I think understands that Iran has a psychotic president. This means, that even though it is a "tiny" country (in ObaMessiah's imagination, anyway), it is a tiny country with a psychotic president with nukes. I see this as a complicating factor. But that's just me, thinking.

Although Mitt irked me with his "agent of change" talk, he more than redeemed himself later. I saw a YouTube video of him doing volunteer work with his son at an individual's house, digging up a tree stump, I think. He left his campaign to do it, didn't bring along press to make points with his selflessness. He just went there and worked on that tree stump.

Someone shot an amateur video of it and posted it on YouTube, but he didn't do it to gain brownie points. I am unable to find it in 10 minutes of Googling, or I'd link it. It makes me think of George W. Bush going to visit wounded servicemen and leaving the press behind, visiting purely to aid the wounded, and not himself. I think Mitt is a good man, and we could use two of those in the White House and VP slot.

Of course, Sarah Palin of Alaska is interesting because she is pro-life to the extent that she gave birth to her Down Syndrome baby, even though early testing showed that he had the condition. She is also a hunter, and wears fur!!!

How's that for "change", Mr. Nancy-boy Obama?

Posted by: MathMom at August 28, 2008 09:45 AM

"... what else can Republicans say given that they are actually quite terrified of the prospect of an African-American in the White House ..."

As opposed to the Democrats, who fought tooth and nail against every kind of Civil Rights issue since the 1860s. So in a way, he's right. It is a step forward for the Democrats.

Although this is not a grammar site, and bloggers don't usually criticize grammar (unless it's really bad - like the aforementioned sentence), can someone take a crack at diagramming it? I count about seven verbs (including one "is" that's implied). He could have put a stop in front of "but then ...".

Are people afraid of Obama because he's "not Caucasian"? I think not. We're leery of Obama because he's the most liberal Senator ever, because he has no experience in any facet of Real Life, and because it's really hard to figure out what he really stands for. This week.

And also because he seems to attract lunatic leftists, whose idea of "debate" and "dialog" consists of shouting down or suppressing anybody else. Like saying that the only reason anybody wouldn't vote for him is because they're racist.

Even Ron Paul's lunatics weren't as vicious as Obama's.

Posted by: ZZMike at August 28, 2008 02:25 PM

I don't have any problems with people picking up on Democrat propaganda and using it against them. I am only against incompetent uses of propaganda. Some Democrat propaganda pieces are so well done, I cannot help admire them while at the same time realizing the harm that they do.

Posted by: Ymarsakar at August 28, 2008 05:40 PM

Camo-
I think Fred Thompson would kick terrorist butt, too, but he has lymphoma. It is in remission, but stress and strain suppress the immune system, and a job such as VP would be the very definition of stress and strain. He needs his immune system to keep the lymphoma at bay (see Tony Snow). I worry that the lymphoma would recur and that we'd lose him to the disease. He was rather yellow-looking on the campaign trail, and that worried me even then.
He is well spoken, has clear vision, and knows who he is. He appears to be immune to bullying. I just wish he was well - I'd be for him too.
Posted by: MathMom at August 28, 2008 07:30 AM

Hmmm...I was unaware of all that. It definitely changes things...

Posted by: camojack at August 29, 2008 01:28 AM

Please Tell Me McCain Is Not This Dumb

Cass! John McCain Is Not That Dumb!

This Palin woman is kicking serious butt! WOOT!!!

Posted by: MathMom at August 29, 2008 12:43 PM

I'm willing to give her a chance, MathMom.

She wasn't my first choice... or my second. Honestly, she was picked because she's a woman. I really doubt a man with comparable experience would have made the cut.

That disturbs me on several levels. But then, she's running against a candidate no one would take seriously if he weren't black. That's not politically correct, but it happens to be true.

I *really* hate to see race and sex become such important factors in a Presidential election. I can't honestly say I think that is a good thing.

Posted by: Cassandra at August 29, 2008 12:54 PM

I have to agree with you on several of those points, but I just saw her speak w/McCain. She looks like she kicks butts and takes names. She looks genuine, is MUCH better at the mic than Hillary, and just seems comfortable in her own skin.

Also, speaking as a Naturalized Alaskan, I know that Alaska makes people who are resourceful and self-sufficient - the antithesis of all this Democrat tripe about the government helping people find "their voice" and all the whining about feeling that you are invisible to your government. This woman looks like she has found her own voice, thank you very much.

She also said that she fought against the Bridge to Nowhere, and said that if Alaskans want a bridge, they can build it themselves. She has sued the Bush administration for listing the polar bear on the endangered species list, and she would know better than Al Gore whether or not polar bears are endangered.

This will likely open ANWR, drive down energy prices, and change the whole face of the race. And though she has a mere two years of executive experience, that is two years more than Obama, Biden and McCain combined.

Also, the MSM can't ignore the McCain campaign any more! She is MUCH more interesting than Barack Obama, and she looks like she is filled with joy, a stark contrast to Michelle Obama.

Just think - it could have been Huckabee.

Posted by: MathMom at August 29, 2008 01:15 PM

Her character speaks well for her. I am more comfortable with her than any other female candidate, and not a few of the men.

I agree on the exec. experience thing. I take the same line I did with Miers - he's entitled to his pick and everyone else is entitled to vet her. Let's hope this one gets an honest chance.

Posted by: Cassandra at August 29, 2008 01:22 PM

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