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March 19, 2009

Bankers are "Suicide Bombers"?

The clue bus
Is calling us...

- Jim Morrison's Evil Twin

Has Barack Obama lost his mind?

The president said, "It was the right thing to do, even though it's infuriating, even though it makes you angry because you're thinking, 'I was responsible and these folks are irresponsible and somehow I'm paying for them.' The same is true with AIG. It was the right thing to do to step in."

"Here's the problem," Mr. Obama said, "It's almost like they've got -- they've got a bomb strapped to them and they've got their hand on the trigger. You don't want them to blow up. But you've got to kind of talk them, ease that finger off the trigger."

Let me see if I've gotten this straight: the President of the United States just compared bankers to homicidal maniacs?

How much sense does this make? Does anyone - anyone in their right mind - seriously believe bankers WANT their own banks to fail? Does anyone believe they're doing this on purpose, that they're willing to blow themselves up just to take the rest of the American economy down with them?

And if Mr. Obama really believes this, why are we paying these people off? Why isn't he trying to stop them - to put them in jail where they can't harm innocent people?

This man doesn't even believe his own rhetoric - either that, or he is the most clueless leader this country has ever seen.

We are propping up the banks because people's life savings are invested in the stock market, and if investor confidence continues to decline the remains of the most prosperous nation on earth's wealth will go up in smoke, taking the retirement funds and savings of million of innocent Americans along with it.

We are doing this because the financial sector is the circulatory system that delivers capital to millions of American businesses. We can't allow it to fail.

The ship of state is on fire and what is our President doing? Picking his NCAA bracket and gleefully pouring gasoline on the flames.

The only plausible explanation for this idiocy is that his Teleprompter must be AWOL.

America is being led over a cliff by an insane clown posse:

Replacement vid via Beltway Blips

Posted by Cassandra at March 19, 2009 01:55 PM

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err... "if Mr. Obama really believes this"

Kidding? What he believes has nothing to do with what comes out of his mouth, especially if he's paying attention.

Posted by: Mike Wilson at March 19, 2009 02:39 PM

you would figure that military people would know what a DIVERSION is..

whiel we are watching this crappy thing that is MEANINGLESS eitehr way..

we are missing taht madagascar fell to a communist military coupe, and now el salvador also fell and is communist.

but the biggest thing...

HR1388 just passed the house..

that will mean that all of us will have to put in 3 years service to be put in camps adn become a internal national obama police force.

can you say...Sturmbietlung?

canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/9374

i read a lot of history... which is why my 'facts' often dont match (like not liking eugenics posing as abortion because most dont know the history of these agencies and have heard the nice tale. they didnt hear how the first one was called the negro project and was in harlem, that she started the american eugenics movement, and that hitlers people wrote to her for advice! maybe now you may believe that they changed the kids enough that they grew up to vote this in, and they did it EXACTLY the same way hitler did (and marx said). through the youth and the women!!! they did it then, they did it this time too. spin the facts as you will it wont actually change them)

this is MANDATORY...

and all this free forced volunterrism will destroy economy... as they undercut in service the free market...

but most dont remember or have really good knowlege of history.. in fact most are abysmal..

so in the first 100 days obama has brought slavery back to america.

Posted by: artfldgr at March 19, 2009 02:55 PM

as i wrote before...

when hitler came to power the structures that everyuone knows and thinks are key to teh begining hadnet been invented yet.

what he needed was the SA... the SA (after the beer halls) became the peoples strong arm. made up of useful idiots. the young, the women, and the old...

it was they and the other people in the population that created the things needed to restructure the state. in germany there was a name for this, and no one cares today... why? because all discussion with the hitler word was invaldated automatically, AND everyones self esteem is so high, that even if they dont know the history, they FEEL they do.

well, it was these protestors that broke windows, started fights, firebombed houses. and because they werent part of teh state at first, well, they created the fire that caused the response that then officiated them and led to supression in russia the term is peristroika. in the US its called CHANGE...

after this when the followers realized what they ahd done... and then opposed things, they were already for the counter revolution and so rohm and the others were eliminated and the corps were absorbed into the SS.

just to let you know. in latvia they had anotehr name for it... and the russians ahd their own (and tried to label the boy scouts here as the same)

in case you didnt realize this will be made up of a lot of disnfranchised racist inner city youth... who will ahve powers delegated to them (a violation of the constitution, since the state has no power, the state cant delegate it, only the people can grant power, the state technically cant)

given teh stanford experimetn and the fact that peopel are more like cats than horses... this will not end up well...

you should see the otehr tings in the pipeline..


Posted by: artfldgr at March 19, 2009 03:08 PM

forgot to mention

if you have freedom bumper stickers.
ron paul stickers etc

in one state, such stickers are to make you to be considered a terrorist by police when they approach your car.

According to this AP article the government of the state of Missouri has issued a report "informing" state police that people with third party bumper stickers on their cars or who believe the NAFTA superhighway is an attempt create a North American Union are subversive members of paramilitary militias and potential terrorists.
The Missouri Information Analysis Center (a division of the state police) has compiled an enemies list of warning signs for state police officers, signs that are supposed to help them determine potential terrorists. Such signs include Ron Paul bumper stickers, or "Right to Carry" handgun stickers (I have to wonder: does it include Support Your Local Police stickers, too?) and our friendly state troopers are warned to proceed with extreme caution against such radicals.
Don't believe me? See for yourself. (pdf-sorry.)
Who is being targeted in this report? The state police are warned that Christians, "sovereign citizens", those opposed to abortion, tax revisionists, and anti-illegal immigrant advocates are potential would-be terrorists.

so i would start going through your belongings and throw out things that will get you in trouble

take this from someone whose family were through all of this in the past (And so i knew all these games beign plaid as many other immigrants or those from immigrant families learned).

this is why immigrants from some countries looked down on the americans as ignorant and stupid. after all, when someone tries to explain this, they get called and shamed into shutting up... like the time someone recently said i was aon a "jihad against women" talk about regurgitating the party line against enemies of the state.

but i bet tehy dont know the actual histories of these groups but assumed them from what everyone knows, and everyone knows that if you try to tell the truth in history and the left doestn like it, they will call you a facsist, a jihadi, etc.

which is why the knee jerk response and pushed assertion was a surprise to me. you might think that a real thinking person would actually ASK SOME QUESTIONS. CLARIFY FACTS. GET THINGS STRAIGHT, before they get their feelings up, block their logic, and hit you with a leftist slur....

but no.

now you know how we are here...

the young and the gullible women were targeted and tricked because it worked so well in so many otehr coutnries. (which is why they exported it, and why the communist states have nothing, even though they are said to be the source of it!)

As Politico reported, OFA will take the 10 million person database built up by the Obama campaign "to mobilize support for the president's legislative agenda."
A visit to the OFA website reveals that supporters are not simply asked to sign up, they are asked to take a pledge. A pledge to support — not the flag, not the constitution, not the country, not even the Democratic party, but Obama and his "bold plan." … Those who take the pledge are asked to "talk with people about the President's plan" and to "ask them to sign their names to the pledge" in support of Obama's policies.

the question nkow will be will military men and women side with obama and shoot and kill their americans who want freedom, and call them facsists and jihadi... or will they not do that and side with the constitution, freedom, and the non revisioned history (do they know the non revisioned history?)


well, here is how far it is..
Chaplain Barred From Saying "God"
Liberalism has gone as far as it ever needs to when chaplains are barred from saying the word "God."

A chaplain at Hospice by the Sea in Boca Raton has resigned, she says, over a ban on use of the words "God" or "Lord" in public settings. … [Rev. Mirta ] Signorelli said that she and other chaplains were told Feb. 23 to "cease and desist from using God in prayers."

so you better quit your church... if you want to live or stay free.. you will have to let these obmaa people into your home to search and collet your guns, and see that you think the right thoughts.

and they are going to bring the conflagration of the extermination of the middle class and dysgenics (western people)... or havent you noticed a pattern to all their actions?


as i said... hr1388 passed...

we are beyong discussion...

or hasnt any one noticed we are in the middle of implementation?

Posted by: artfldgr at March 19, 2009 03:18 PM

art,
I have no doubt that you mean to say something important there, but quite frankly, I can't for life of me figure out what it is. When you spell and type that horribly (deliberate or not) you appear, to me, to be nothing more than the virtual equivalent of the homeless bum on the corner with a sign that says, "The end of the world is near."
If you want people to seriously consider your words, you should seriously consider proofreading -- for clarity's sake, if no other.

Posted by: DL Sly at March 19, 2009 03:49 PM

this is why immigrants from some countries looked down on the americans as ignorant and stupid. after all, when someone tries to explain this, they get called and shamed into shutting up... like the time someone recently said i was aon a "jihad against women" talk about regurgitating the party line against enemies of the state.

Yep, because saying that the KKK is on a "jihad against blacks" is a just one more tool of the fascist state. /sarcasm

Dude, just because someone disagrees with your gross over-generalizations doesn't make you an enemy of the state.

Posted by: Yu-Ain Gonnano at March 19, 2009 05:52 PM

They just pushed for passing a 90% punitive tax on AIG because Nancy Pelosi says "the taxpayers want their money back' (check out mah blog).
I thought a punitive tax (there's an oxymoron) was unconstitutional? In other words I thought it was completely against The Constitution for the government to target a tax at a specific group or persons.

Posted by: Red at March 19, 2009 05:57 PM

I wonder if this is accurate: http://shotsacrossthebow.com/archives/003308.html#003308

If so, the the Democrats are bitching about AIG doing exactly what the Democrats themselves required them to do.

Posted by: Yu-Ain Gonnano at March 19, 2009 06:41 PM

"... they've got a bomb strapped to them ..."

Somebody up there in WhiteHouseLand: do not let this guy loose without his 'prompter.

Mr Gonnano gets it. You can probably still find it on YouTube, the broadcast of the hearings in which the Republicans tried to put more oversight in place over FNMA &c, and Democrat after Democrat (inclusing the ever-popular Barney Frank) came up and said "There ain't no problems here. It's all just fine and wunnaful. We don't need no stinkin' oversight".

Red: "a punitive tax (there's an oxymoron)". You're thinking of the opposite. "Military intelligence" could be an oxymoron. "Conservative Democrat" surely is. But "punitive tax" - that's a tautology. Taxes are almost by definition punitive.

"... thought it was completely against The Constitution for the government to target a tax at a specific group or persons."

I don't think so. There are many targeted taxes - taxes on cigarettes, liquor, yachts (they tried that one, but so many yacht builders left the state they had to repeal it).


Posted by: ZZMike at March 19, 2009 07:59 PM

To get this relationships show on the road, I'll offer the following relationship.

Bankers are "Suicide Bombers" just as "terrorism," is, after all, just "man-caused" disasters.

We seem to have a plethora of moistened bints from the POTUS right on down. BTW, I think the one in the link weighs the same as a duck...

Now when one of our major military targets, population centers or who knows what goes up in a vapor cloud, then we'll have the topic of sex to consider. As in how the nation has experienced yet another episode of BOHICA from the governing body.

Posted by: J. Edgar Hubris at March 19, 2009 11:32 PM

When we're talking about terrorists--people who fly airplane into buildings, blow up pizza parlors, and smash the skulls of little girls while forcing their parents to watch--the "progressives" are all about nuance and shades of gray.

When we're talking about American businesspeople, the nuance and the shades of gray disappear, and the blacks and whites are very strong.

Posted by: david foster at March 19, 2009 11:44 PM

If you want people to seriously consider your words, you should seriously consider proofreading -- for clarity's sake, if no other.

of course image counts more than substance...

one should never judge a man or woman by the content of their character, but one should only judge based on punctuation, good spelling, and an other irrelevent thing.

how bout this... you become my editor, and pay me, and i will make corrections for you based on your whims.

until then, i will write what i can when i have time and you will eitehr accept that or scroll past it... hows that? dont like whats on tv, turn it off, go someplace else.

mini control freaks everywhere... no wonder the impulse is so easy for obama to use... everyone thinks that they have to dicatage to the world how to properly do something.

by the way..

have you ever seen original manuscripts of famous works? OBVIOUSLY not... turns out that the peope who tend to write better care more for content than image.


and on another note..

Dude, just because someone disagrees with your gross over-generalizations doesn't make you an enemy of the state.

give me five of the top women that define modern feminism, and i will give you their quotes then let you tell me if i am over generalizing.

the ones i have quoted are Dworkin, Bouvier, McKinnon, Sanger, Solanas, Greer, Naomi Goldstein (betty freidan), and a few more..

i will bet that any one making a case of moderacy will NOT use the leaders, but will select some alternative person who isnt in the cetner defining thinks.

again... i want to discuss facts and history... to out of hand call my statements generalizations then push them off has basically ended the discussion...

give me a short list of names that you respect, adn that actually define the movement through modern history..

and i will show you in their own words what you dont know about them.

same thing with obama... want to know why we are waking up now? because all those things that culture used to generalize what NOT to elect, were abandoned by the same tool your using witout realizing it.. and it cut off discussion.

read this...

let me know whether you think it reprsents now or the past, or nothing at all. (or am i the only one that has to take orders from 20 people that are contradictory and declare how to make them and others happy... obama is doing the same thing... is it making us all happy?)


Who am I?

I was born in a small city of a large country but I eventually made my home in one of the great cities of that country.

I was not my father's only child. He fathered several children with numerous women.

I became very close to my mother, as my father showed little interest in me.. My mother died at an early age from cancer.

Later in life, questions arose over my real name. My birth records were sketchy and no one was able to produce a legitimate, reliable birth certificate.

I grew up practicing one faith but converted to another that suited my purposes better

I practiced non-traditional beliefs & didn't follow Christianity, except in the public eye under scrutiny.

I worked and lived among lower-class people as a young adult, disguising myself as someone who really cared about them.

That was before I decided it was time to get serious about my life and I embarked on a new career.

I wrote a book about my struggles growing up. It was clear to those who read my memoirs that I had difficulties accepting that my father abandoned me as a child.

I became active in local politics in my 30's then with help behind the scenes, I literally burst onto the scene as a candidate for national office in my 40's. They said I had a golden tongue and could talk anyone into anything. That reinforced my conceit.

I had a virtually non-existent resume, little work history, and no experience in leading a single organization. Yet I was a powerful speaker and citizens were drawn to me as though I were a magnet and they were small roofing tacks..

I drew incredibly large crowds during my public appearances.. This bolstered my ego.

At first, my political campaign focused on my country's foreign policy. I was very critical of my country in the last war and seized every opportunity to bash the rulers of my country.

But what launched my rise to national prominence were my views on the country's economy. I pretended to have a really good plan on how we could do better and every poor person would suddenly be well-off

I knew which group was responsible for getting us into a mess. It was the free market, banks & corporations. I decided to start making citizens hate them and if they were envious of others who did well, the plan was clinched tight.

I called mine "A People's Campaign" and that sounded good to all people.

I was the surprise candidate because I emerged from outside the traditional path of politics & was able to gain widespread popular support.

I knew that, if I merely offered the people 'hope', together we could change our country and the world.

So, I started to make my speeches sound like they were on behalf of the downtrodden, poor and ignorant. My true views were not widely known & I needed to keep them unknown, until after I became my nation's leader.

I had to carefully guard reality, as anybody could have easily found out what I really believed, if they had simply read my writings and examined those people I associated with.

I'm glad they didn't. Then I became one of the the most powerful men in the world. And the world learned the truth.

Who am I?


i know i know above are just gneralizations, and all things have to align perfectly to make a point, or a minor difference, like lack of a mustach clobbers it... unless its the other side that makes this point... then using a disconnected anecdote is fine as is revisionist history.

and on your KKK point.

the democrats were the party of the KKK!!!

Klan violence worked to suppress black voting. As examples, over 2,000 persons were killed, wounded and otherwise injured in Louisiana within a few weeks prior to the Presidential election of November 1868. Although St. Landry Parish had a registered Republican majority of 1,071, after the murders, no Republicans voted in the fall elections. White Democrats cast the full vote of the parish for Grant's opponent. The KKK killed and wounded more than 200 black Republicans, hunting and chasing them through the woods. Thirteen captives were taken from jail and shot; a half-buried pile of 25 bodies was found in the woods. The KKK made people vote Democratic and gave them certificates of the fact.[23]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

and your point was?

and how about the highlander school.
care to see the images, of pete seeger, martin luthor king and rosa parks getting an education at a communist school teaching how to agitate?

they were later closed down because they bought houses in the south pretending to be white purchasers. moved blacks into them, then bombed them to create southern racism.

they finally got caught by planting bomb in ny city trying to get the africans and the JDL at each other. for this they were arrested, and the highlander school was shut down.

now there are a lot of new schools named highlander, but few know why.

sad part is that the FBI moved the links to the papers on the subversino there... (after obama was elected).

it is well known that king was surrounded by well known communists... Stanley levison for one... Hunter pitts odell another... (fbi watched king becasue of levison). Miles horton ran the school...

today, we have an african communist in the office of the president raised through and saying he owes the movement for his birth (retroactively).

heck... he even named one daugher after martin malia a biographer of communists especially alexander pushkin... a populist like obama... alexander in russian is sasha... and malia is sasha pushkins famous biographer...

funny how when you know an AWEFUL not of history, you get a bunch of those who know less claiming you are talking generalities, mixing up the democratic kkk who murdered republican blacks and hunted them down like dogs...

i get different answers because i actully went out by myself and read the histories, and think for myself.

if i went specific, you would go anecdotal on me, if i go general, you will say its too broad.

the ONE thing you wont do, is discuss that actuall subject with a complete knowlege of the history and the facts!!! cause once taht starts, you have no knowlege to participate in other than a lot of propaganda with seeds of truth.


by the way... my family is all gone... fathers side were exterminated by stalin and hitler... moms side were exterminated first by hitler then kept by stalin... my wifes family, lived through maos great leap, and later thruogh suharto and sukarno...

the one thing that is making all this restructuring possible is the inability of anhyone to actually be allowed to draw an actual conclusion.

and that comes from skirting the valid history, the subject, accepting the false arguments, and plahying games on things not having to do wiht the subject.

like king george explaining to mozart that there are just too many notes... and not being able to tell mozart what actually is wrong... because there isnt really anything wrong except that the truth is valid, and they want the revisionist (stalinist) one.

i know my history in grainy detail..
and that is not a generality...

but to communicate... i have to talk in generalities, or else you then say i am past the soundbite size that a modern brain can handle.

sigh


Posted by: artfldgr at March 20, 2009 12:05 PM

1) Your earlier comments on the other thread weren't arguing about feminism as a philosophy, but about all women themselves.

The two are not the same. I disagree vehemently with the philosophy of greivance feminism, but that does not mean all women (or even most women) are adherents of it. Only that those few women you mention shout the loudest. That you can not see the difference is your problem, not mine.

2) Of course the KKK were the old Dixiecrats. What's your point? My point is that just because someone point out when people slander an entire group does not, by definition, make it a ploy by the fascist police state. It can be, but not always. Again that you can not see the difference is your problem, not mine.

Posted by: Yu-Ain Gonnano at March 20, 2009 12:23 PM

Just like how you mistake "Style matters" for "Only style matters".

Posted by: Yu-Ain Gonnano at March 20, 2009 12:27 PM

"of course image counts more than substance...

one should never judge a man or woman by the content of their character, but one should only judge based on punctuation, good spelling, and an other irrelevent thing."

Why, silly me....and here I thought you were commenting here because you has something to say that you wanted others to read and potentially understand, possibly debate your points, maybe even agree every once in a while.
But, hey, if that's not what you're doing, then by all means, burn the bandwidth meter into a cinder. At least now I know that you're not serious, so I can just bypass your screed when I see it pop up.
Thx for the clarification.

Posted by: DL Sly at March 20, 2009 01:39 PM

everyone avoided the point that they KNEW i was too vibrant in pushing... but rather than discuss it... they went after me..

now you know how germany happened...

as i keep explaining it, and keep trying to show it. i am smart enouhg to write without enflaming, but are you smart enough to know when your reactions have been given to you, automated, and you dont deviate from them?

not one person wanted to duscuss the actual implication of hr1388...

why? beacuse i cant spell.. because its not followed by 100% of the people... then another said what i said wasnt what i said...

here is how it goes...

when the person talking is someone you like, you give them every bit of licence, even help them turn the knife in your own life.

but when the person talking is someone you dont like, has a point that causes dissonance, exposes a core that until that moment is not known and is denied to be driving things... and on and on..

then the training kicks in and not one argument is allowed as to the subject.

i wrot ethe way i did to show you how easy it is to get preloaded idiots to react a certain way, and move in a predetermined way.

my points were not on feminism, style, etc.. those were IN RESPONSE... so i was not the impetus...

my points were hr 1388... name one person above that actaully addressed my point?

you wont... beacause the game is about allowing the anointed to speak, not actually pay attention to the person pointing out uncomfortable things.

take this as a golden example.

1) Your earlier comments on the other thread weren't arguing about feminism as a philosophy, but about all women themselves.

The two are not the same. I disagree vehemently with the philosophy of greivance feminism, but that does not mean all women (or even most women) are adherents of it. Only that those few women you mention shout the loudest. That you can not see the difference is your problem, not mine.

all the LEADERS of feminism are communists. SELF DECLARED AS HITLER SELF DECLARED AND HIS fOLLOWERS MADE EXCUSES FOR HIM TOO.

the fact that you see a difference when there isnt one, is the problem.

socialism and communism are the same thing... the communists dont make the distinctiuon you do... the socialists dont either... the ONLY people that do are useful idiots!!!

i gave you links to sanger, pizzey, and on and on... but with a wash of a nothing i am the one with the problem with all women.

no... i have a problem with people who are tricked into such lives of misery that they choose to exterminate their own family lines as unimportant!!! you dont see it taht way... but you dont see exterminating human beings at the earliest point of existence as the same as eugenics.

even funnier is that all the leaders of feminism sing the same tune.. but i am wrong for listening to them...

the democratic party and the CPUSA are exactly in alignment, but i cant see the differences.

i KNOW my history... did any one here refute my historical facts? no... they answered with a thing that makes no sense if casted otherwise.

2) Of course the KKK were the old Dixiecrats. What's your point? My point is that just because someone point out when people slander an entire group does not, by definition, make it a ploy by the fascist police state. It can be, but not always. Again that you can not see the difference is your problem, not mine.

in other words, if you rile them up, they will not argue on a valid point..

the argument above is an argument of nothing. it basically says that i will accept no argument unless its 100% unambiguous.

which says to the despots. if every choice i make can be casted to be a bit ambigiolus, all these others will make all the excuses i need to usurp power.

they will uterly refuse to see whats in front of them....

why?

beacuse they ahve a body on the floor a knife in its chest, and they think that the fact that a knife can cut both ways and plays no favorites has something to do with it.

even worse. they are completely trained to react to an uncomfortable argument by discounting the whole discourse out of hand.

and i say out of hand because they did NOT follow any of the links (which makes my posts long if they dont), or read if the posts is long.. and attack if their inforamtion isnt what they have been told

who TOLD you the position to take?

did they know that greer dealt with tobacco and alcohol, two advertisers that ladies home journal and redbook didnt want to? but it was the feminist political rags masquerading as fashion that controls womens opininos...

and before you get angry at me about it... why dont you first take a look to see if i am right? take back issues out and watch how they build things.

things like the red dress... wow, first deal and equate cigarettes with liberation, you come a long way baby... this gets tons of women to be like men and smoke... they get heart desease and all the same deseases men suffer for working away from the home and such, and now they collect money from that too.

man... not bad, give em a desease, then make money pretending to fight it..

but of course thsoe who like the message (which is not sustainable for a population), will defend it... those who read the minutes of the comintern in the 40s telling communists to enter political parties under false statements as there are no oaths, enter not for profits (as they did and kicked ford out), and to get control of labor unions and the womens movement.

but if you dont know that, and all the other stuff, you muight be stupid to side with them... and ignore all the harm they ahve done.

like the exterminatino of 50 million americans without protest..

soon, beuracrati8c rationing of health care will kill thousands of elderly... but you wont be able to see the equivalence...

planned parent hood started out as the negro project... you would think that maybe having the start as a eugenics program visited unknowingly on the population might horrify you.

but that doesnt.
what horrifies you is that i question this policy!!!!

it would be like a german questioning why we are killing the infirm in the hostpitals. (acton 4).


and yet. any discussion on hr1388... never happened..

mission accomplished... all discourse has been prevented due to lack of the sensibilities of the recipients to realize that they have put obsticals in the way of some information and do not question others as if they are sainted.

Posted by: artfldgr at March 24, 2009 12:23 PM

OK, fine, you want a point by point, here it is, but just this once (and for reasons I'll spell out soon):

everyone avoided the point that they KNEW i was too vibrant in pushing... but rather than discuss it... they went after me..

BS, I didn't discuss it because it wasn't on topic. It simply one more out of the tens of side issues you can't keep out of your comments of late. If I were to continue addressing all of them every time, we'd have comments 150 pages long. Every communications expert that has ever been and ever will be will tell you that rambling is a cardinal sin.

now you know how germany happened...
Oh, yes, 6 millions jews died because people preferred well structured arguments. Of course.

as i keep explaining it, and keep trying to show it. i am smart enouhg to write without enflaming, but are you smart enough to know when your reactions have been given to you, automated, and you dont deviate from them?

Because we all know calling those who disagree with you automatons not in control of their own reactions can in no way be considered enflaming.

not one person wanted to duscuss the actual implication of hr1388...
Again, it's off topic and I can't address every little tangent anyone and everyone brings up. Perhaps you should take your own advice and pay me when you want me to do something.

why? beacuse i cant spell...

No, because it makes you hard to comprehend. That is, after all, supposed to be a requisite of persuasive writing.

...because its not followed by 100% of the people... then another said what i said wasnt what i said...

Huh?

when the person talking is someone you like, you give them every bit of licence, even help them turn the knife in your own life.

but when the person talking is someone you dont like, has a point that causes dissonance, exposes a core that until that moment is not known and is denied to be driving things... and on and on..

then the training kicks in and not one argument is allowed as to the subject.

Yep, no arguments are allowed, which is why your comments have been deleted and so are the comments of anyone who has *argued* with you over said deleted comments. Oh, wait. I'm arguing with you right now. Damn. I forgot that wasn't allowed.

i wrot ethe way i did to show you how easy it is to get preloaded idiots to react a certain way, and move in a predetermined way.

Well, yes. Rambling arguments usually aren't well received. But that's not usually because it's the predetermined actions of an idiot.

my points were not on feminism, style, etc.. those were IN RESPONSE... so i was not the impetus...

Yes, I believe we said as much. Your points were on all women and presented in a very poor style considering the topic was not women, nor feminism, but rather *one* woman and *one* man.

my points were hr 1388... name one person above that actaully addressed my point?

One of many, actually. But, as before, you were the one who brought that up way out of left feild in a discussion that had nothing to do with anything remotely related to it.

You want a discussion on HR1388? Fine, go start your own blog.

you wont... beacause the game is about allowing the anointed to speak, not actually pay attention to the person pointing out uncomfortable things.

Like I said, this is why you've been banned and all your comments have been deleted. You just simply can't get it in your head that people can listen to you and still disagree or even that one can not address points they agree with that are off-topic.

all the LEADERS of feminism are communists. SELF DECLARED AS HITLER SELF DECLARED AND HIS fOLLOWERS MADE EXCUSES FOR HIM TOO.


SO WHAT? I NEVER SAID OTHERWISE. What I vehemently disagree with is your contention that my wife is a fucking communist despite not being a gender feminist leader, nor gender feminist follower, but simply because she lacks a penis. THAT IS THE FUCKING PROBLEM ASSHAT. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR DAMNED SKULL!

the fact that you see a difference when there isnt one, is the problem.

You know, I've always thought that Ann Coulter was really a double agent secretly working for the communists. But I didn't know about Laura Ingraham and Sarah Palin. We should all be thankful to you for blowning their covers.

socialism and communism are the same thing... the communists dont make the distinctiuon you do... the socialists dont either... the ONLY people that do are useful idiots!!!

I haven't said socialism and communism aren't the same thing. I simply disagreed with you that not all women are communists. I'll let the readers decide which of us is the idiot.

i gave you links to sanger, pizzey, and on and on... but with a wash of a nothing i am the one with the problem with all women.

Again, I never disagreed with you about the leaders. But you are the one equating the leaders with all women, not me.

no... i have a problem with people who are tricked into such lives of misery that they choose to exterminate their own family lines as unimportant!!! you dont see it taht way... but you dont see exterminating human beings at the earliest point of existence as the same as eugenics.

Please point to where I say I support abortion. As to whether it's eugenics or not depends not on the what but the why. If they are killed because they have blue eyes, or because they are short, or dumb, or blonde, then yes it's eugenics. If they are killed because it's inconvenient then it's no more eugenics than being murdered at the local stab and grab.

even funnier is that all the leaders of feminism sing the same tune.. but i am wrong for listening to them...

No, you are wrong for thinking that they represent all women instead of just a small subset.

the democratic party and the CPUSA are exactly in alignment, but i cant see the differences.
Well, other than the imprisonment of dissenters, the slaughter of gays, the death camps, the forced famine. Other than that...

i KNOW my history... did any one here refute my historical facts? no... they answered with a thing that makes no sense if casted otherwise.
The problem isn't that your facts are wrong. It's that because you have ignored other facts, you have come to the wrong conclusion.

For Example:
1)Feminist Leaders are communists
2)???
3)All women are communists.

"1)" is a fact. But it doesn't get you to "3)".

in other words, if you rile them up, they will not argue on a valid point..

Who are "them" and "they"? The KKK? The fascist police state, me? See what we mean by clarity?

the argument above is an argument of nothing. it basically says that i will accept no argument unless its 100% unambiguous.

No, but it does mean that while you may be able to equate an apple and an orange as both fruit, you can't equate an apple and a brick. When your arguments are that broad they become just as useless.

which says to the despots. if every choice i make can be casted to be a bit ambigiolus, all these others will make all the excuses i need to usurp power.

That cuts both ways, OBL rides to power on the lack of distinction: "No American is innocent, they are all evil".

One must not make distinctions when there are none, but also not ingnore distinction when there are.

they will uterly refuse to see whats in front of them....

why?

beacuse they ahve a body on the floor a knife in its chest, and they think that the fact that a knife can cut both ways and plays no favorites has something to do with it.

No, we just don't think that because there is a body with a knife in it that everyone who has ever owned a knife is guilty.

even worse. they are completely trained to react to an uncomfortable argument by discounting the whole discourse out of hand.

When you start pronouncing that all knife owners are guilty your arguments aren't discounted because they are uncomfortable, but because they are absurd.

and i say out of hand because they did NOT follow any of the links (which makes my posts long if they dont), or read if the posts is long.. and attack if their inforamtion isnt what they have been told

We haven't disputed your facts, just their relevence. It's a fact that unripe apples are green, but that has nothing to do with the number of apples eaten in China.

who TOLD you the position to take?

The same one who told you position to take.

did they know that greer dealt with tobacco and alcohol, two advertisers that ladies home journal and redbook didnt want to? but it was the feminist political rags masquerading as fashion that controls womens opininos...

Because everyone knows that women are incapable of resisting the mind control rays of women's magazines.

and before you get angry at me about it... why dont you first take a look to see if i am right? take back issues out and watch how they build things.

Again, a fact but irrelevent. Women's magazines don't control opinions. They persuade some, but not others, and they control no one.

things like the red dress... wow, first deal and equate cigarettes with liberation, you come a long way baby... this gets tons of women to be like men and smoke... they get heart desease and all the same deseases men suffer for working away from the home and such, and now they collect money from that too.

OOOhh. Someone was successful in convincing some people of an opinion we don't approve of. Downright scary I tell you.

man... not bad, give em a desease, then make money pretending to fight it..

It's a conspiracy I tell you. There's no such things as unintended consequences. Women's mags are like cylons: There are many copies and they have a plan!

but of course thsoe who like the message (which is not sustainable for a population), will defend it... those who read the minutes of the comintern in the 40s telling communists to enter political parties under false statements as there are no oaths, enter not for profits (as they did and kicked ford out), and to get control of labor unions and the womens movement.

Yes,Yes, they have infiltrated every aspect of American life, which means that even *you* are secretly a communist. You Pinko.

but if you dont know that, and all the other stuff, you muight be stupid to side with them... and ignore all the harm they ahve done.

like the exterminatino of 50 million americans without protest..

Then what were those people with all those anti-abortion signs doing? Must have been a figment of my imagination.

soon, beuracrati8c rationing of health care will kill thousands of elderly... but you wont be able to see the equivalence...

I've never said such a thing. I only contend it won't make every doctor in the country a murderer. Only the politicians that voted for it.

planned parent hood started out as the negro project... you would think that maybe having the start as a eugenics program visited unknowingly on the population might horrify you.

Christianity, for a long time, used to torture people who refused conversion. That horrifies me. But it doesn't have any bearing on Christianity today. That many abortion supporters were racists horrifies me, but it doesn't imply all abortion supporters today do so so as to wipe out the black population.

but that doesnt.
what horrifies you is that i question this policy!!!!

No, it's that you think that early supporters are representative of all supports for all time.

it would be like a german questioning why we are killing the infirm in the hostpitals. (acton 4).

No, it would be like a German attributing the action to the way the Vandals and Goths treated the elderly in the middle ages. it doesn't mean the actions are right, just that you've attributed the horror to the wrong cause.

and yet. any discussion on hr1388... never happened..

mission accomplished... all discourse has been prevented due to lack of the sensibilities of the recipients to realize that they have put obsticals in the way of some information and do not question others as if they are sainted.

As I have said, When the post is on topic A and you bring up B, C, D, E,... expecting everyone to drop the discussion to follow up on every single rabbit hole and red herring (because gosh darn it, you're just that important) and then harping that we didn't address Z isn't reasonable. That isn't the fault of the recipients.

Perhaps, if you find that you have to go all around and tie your arguments into pretzels to make them work, then maybe you need to reconsider your conclusion.

The KISS rule is your friend. You should meet him sometime.

Posted by: Yu-Ain Gonnano at March 24, 2009 03:44 PM

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